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Re: On writing reports and logs

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Wed May 24, 2017 9:51 pm

Salve Horatia,

I have been counting the days of the week only in my personal diary, just because I like it. I do not intend to use Nundinae, but the late antiquity version of our 7 days of the week placed in the same fashion as the Nundinae (A, B, C... G instead of A, B, C... H) and only in my own private diary.

Regarding the Locative, this case has proven to be very confusing to me. Could you explain this better? For a Locative, do we use the Genitive case or the Ablative case? And how do I know which to use and when?

So my dating would be "Datum Litore Magno"?
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Re: On writing reports and logs

Postby Lucia Horatia Adamas » Wed May 24, 2017 11:22 pm



L. Horatia Adamas C. Curtio Philoni omnibusque S.P.D.

The locative is used with the names of towns, cities, villages, and small islands to indicate place where. A few additional nouns also have this form: domi, at home, ruri, in the countryside, militiae, at war / on the battlefield / in military service (belli is also used for this), humi, on the ground, animi, in the mind, foris, outdoors. The locative for singular words in the first declension is the same as the genitive. The same is true for singular words in the second declension. In the third declension, the locative has the same form as the ablative, and only 'domus' seems to have a locative in the fourth declension. In the fifth declension, only a few words have a locative, and all singulars end in -e. In the plural, the locative is the same as the dative / ablative, so 'Syracusis,' 'at Syracuse.'

Generally, place whence is rendered by the ablative, and place whither by the accusative in those words which use a locative for place where. The Allen and Greenough Latin grammar discusses the locative and other relationships of place at various points (including §§426-427), as does the Gildersleeve and Gonzalez Lodge one, which is more complete, but also more difficult to use.

As best as I can discover, 'datum Litore Magno' would be correct. There aren't a lot of examples of such names in classical Latin, to put it mildly.

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Re: On writing reports and logs

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Thu May 25, 2017 4:31 am

Here is a link to a web site where you can always find the correct declensions and conjugations of any Latin word:

This is for lacus as an example.
It has helped me a lot. You should try it.

It is not true that the 7-day-week was totally unknown to Romans.
At least in imperial times it became more and more common.
Below is an example of such a calendar.
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However the concept was not original Roman. The 7-day-week was used at the beginning mostly for astrological purposes, and astrology was imported from Babylon. Romans preferred watching birds (augures) and the intestines of sacrificial animals (haruspices) instead to predict the future.
Nevertheless the Babylonian system of naming the days became well established in imperial Rome. It has not been introduced by the Christians or Jews as many falsely assume, but was taken from the Greeks who had it from the Babylonians. Hebrew names are quite different. The Jews had the system however from the same Babylonian source (Babylonian captivity).

Seven planets were recognized in antiquity. Sun, Moon, Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn
The Chaldean Order of planets sorts them from the outermost planetary sphere to the innermost one (or from the slowest moving planet to the fastest moving one) as following:
1. Saturn
2. Jupiter
3. Mars
4. Sun
5. Venus
6. Mercury
7. Moon
The first hour of the day is supposed to be ruled by a certain planet. During the following day however the first hour is ruled by the planet, which is three steps down in this list. Hence the day of the Moon (7) is followed by the day of Mars (3), which is followed by the day of Mercury (6) and then Jupiter (2) and so on.
In Latin we have the following weekdays, which remains in most Romance languages:
Latin - French - Spanish
Lunae Dies - lundi - lunes
Martis Dies - mardi - martes
Mercurii Dies - mercredi - miércoles
Iovis Dies - jeudi - jueves
Veneris Dies - vendredi - viernes
Saturni Dies - samedi - sábado
Solis Dies - dimanche - domingo

Saturday and Sunday however have a different origin, but we can still see the Latin name in English:
Saturn Day - Saturday
Sun Day - Sunday
Most other days of the week in English are named after the Nordic equivalent of the corresponding Roman god.
Tuesday - Tyr's day - Mars
Wednesday - Wodan's day - Mercurius
Thursday - Thor's day - Iuppiter
Friday - Freya's day - Venus

I think it is totally legitimate and historically authentic to use the planetary weekdays for a Roman date. The Latin news website http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/ is doing this for example. Today is Jovis die 25 mensis Maii 2017 according to them. However it would be better to replace decimal numbers with Roman numerals: Iovis die XXV mensis Maii MMXVII
Astrological symbols also make sense, since astrology was the origin of these names.

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Re: On writing reports and logs

Postby Lucia Horatia Adamas » Thu May 25, 2017 6:51 am



L. Horatia Adamas C. Florio Lupo C. Curtio Philoni omnibusque S.P.D.

Lupe, your link to the paradigm site did not work for me; is something missing? Fortunately I have a fairly good handle on declensions and conjugations by now, but there are anomalies one finds in one's reading…

No, the seven-day week was not unknown to the Romans, but they don't seem to have used it much, or at all in the classical period. Nundinae seem to have been more common. What is the date of this calendar? You mentioned it was imperial...

BTW, erratum dactylographicum: die Veneris, not Verenis…


The Alcuinus site is part of the all-Latin mailing list, the Grex Latiné Loquentium. There one should be able to find the news in Latin (very evident on this page), with abundant modern vocabulary. It makes good practice, and those who have some facility in Latin should try to read it. For the dates they are using a format somewhat different from the one we learnt, but it seems accurate. Modern Latinists often do not use the Roman numerals.

On the right hand side of that page there is a link to the schola, and despite the drop off in the quality of teaching after the expulsion of the two best teachers and of two fine interpreters, those who already have a good command of Latin should consider taking the Sermo course. The teacher for the advanced course is nice and is less indisposed to work than the other teacher. Your fluency will increase markedly after this course--but you must have the text and CDs to register, and they are not cheap.

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Re: On writing reports and logs

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Thu May 25, 2017 1:25 pm

Gratias tibi, Horatia Adamas.
I have corrected the typo in my post.
The link works for me. But it is quite long and a linebreak might destroy it. Try the homepage http://www.nihilscio.it
The stick calendar was found in the thermae of Titus. So it was probably from the 1st or 2nd century.
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Re: On writing reports and logs

Postby Titus Aurelius Apollinaris » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:55 pm

Nova Svecia Orientalis (Comitati):

1. Mercarius (Mercer county)
2. Huntertonia (Hunterdon county)
3. Somersetia (Somerset county)
4. Middelsexia (Middlesex county)
5. Monemuta (Monmouth county)
6. Oceanus (Ocean county)
7. Gabrantovicorum (Burlington county)
8. Varrenia (Warren county)
9. Sussexia (Sussex county)
10. Valles (Pasaic county)
11. Berga (Bergen county)
12. Hudson (Hudson county)
13. Essexia (Essex county)
14. Concorditas (Union county)
15. Mauritius (Morris county)
16. Promontorium Maium (Cape May county)
17. Cumberlandia (Cumberland county)
18. Solyma (Salem county)
19. Glevum (Gloucester county)
20. Camdenum (Camden county)
21. Atlanticus (Atlantic county)

Nova Svecia Occidentalis to be introduced
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