Elections

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Elections

Postby Titus Flavius Severus » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:26 pm

According to the agreement with the consul, I have to announce the need to elect a number of officers of our Cultus. Although the fact of such elections is contrary to the spirit of the Mithraic community, however, I believe that this will be the lesser of two evils.

Under the direction of the Consul Curio, we must have a Fater Fatrum - the leader of the collegium. In my opinion, this is quite a long and important process, however, the circumstances by a consular edict, forced us to act hastily. According to our bylaws Fater Fatrum is elected by the Councilium Fatrum. Unfortunately we can not, as it was originally intended, because of the whim of this edict, afford to wait when will form the first local Mithraists communities who will be able to nominate their representatives (first Faters) to the governing body - Councilium Fatrum.

Thus, to choose the Fater Fatrum, we must first create Consilium Fatrum.

Taking into account the above, I am announcing the nomination of candidates to the Consilium Fatrum - who want to be a Fater. Admission requirements and procedure for the election you can see in the collegium baylows on the following link: http://romanrepublic.org/civitas/joint_ ... Mithrae/69.

Applications will be accepted until February 26, 2017. Applications must be placed in this subject no later than February 27, 2017.

If you have any questions you can contact me.
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Amendments (02/20/2017):

The purpose of these elections is the election of the members of the Consilium Patrum - Pater[s]. Consilium Patrum will take over the powers of the governing body of the collegium. Pater Paturm will be elected when the circumstances and the availability of appropriate candidate[s] would allow such a choice.


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Re: Elections

Postby Marcus Flavius Celsus » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:59 pm

I want became an a Pater in Paters Concilium.

For me Mithraism is a faith what take my hearth (before met Mithraism, I think what I'm an a atheist).
I belive what serving to this God is a way of action. Roman spirit of expand its borders and creation. Way of giving energy of creation to world.

So educating and practicing Mithraism for me not in ceremonies and prays - it's in action of creating.
Currently I developing multilangual Mithraistic portal (it's almost ready, need finish some details), and from own funds pay for hosting services - it's my donation for Mithra.
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Re: Elections

Postby Appius Iunius Seneca » Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:06 am

Salvete

It seems to me that I do not understand what is happening here. In my commets I wrote that I am not against for election of two leaders for collegium who will make administrative work in Collegium.
I have to say that I strongly disagree with election for Pater Patrum.
All who make some laws in our Republic have to read history and to be a bit into topic - please read something about Mithraism and then make the law.
There is gradual initiation in Mithraism - to become Pater is not a matter of two years. Every level of initiation has to be at least 6 months until 1 year (we do not know exactly how long it was in the past but logic and comparation with other cults says something like this)
Pater is a level of responsability and devotion - he is a person who practice Mithraism in his daily life, he is a person who knows the teaching of Mithraism and has a historical knowledge of the things and ideas.
So with all respect to our Republic - to make election now for Pater Latrim it is like a "joke".
Personaly I will be not a part and I will not support any Mithraism cult in Republic which is based on not historical ideas.
I can understand how Severus can feel himself is this situation. I feel the same.
But from my side I can say only this: or we will do Mithraic Cult in Republic according to historical ideas or let's do not do anything - better nothing than parody.

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Re: Elections

Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:06 am

Salvete,

May I propose that this position not be one of spiritual significance?

We only need the names of two caretakers who will be the go betweens for the cult and the republic. Nothing elaborate. Just two people the senate can go to for logistical matters.

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Re: Elections

Postby Appius Iunius Seneca » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:26 am

Salve

I already wrote it two times - personaly I do not have any problem with two people who will be administrators of Collegium. And they can be ellected according the rules of our Republic.
But I will not support any idea of election of Pater Patrum. I already explained my point of view about this topic.
I do not claim that my ideas and understandning are the only true one and good one. No.
If other people here have no problem with election of Pater Patrum - they can do it - I will not participate in such thing.

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Re: Elections

Postby Lucius Aurelius Curio » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:47 pm

Curio Sal.

I propose this compromise. After some research into this, I propose the Pater Consilium acts as a ruling body, with the two most senior members acting as leaders for outside administrative purposes. Senior here being those holding the highest initiation of the Mithraic path.

And then you guys can elect a Pater Patrum when that individual reaches the necessary initiation stage. Would this be acceptable?

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Re: Elections

Postby Titus Flavius Severus » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:10 pm

Severus Cen. sal.,

Frater Laterensis, I am glad to see that my position on this issue is the same as yours. Moreover, I am very glad that you expressed your position honestly and openly. The fact is that when I set out a similar argument, to my mind to my mind did not listen, but apparently your speech was enough to open the eyes of the authorities.

As you know, I am very upset about the situation, and this election - is a forced measure, since the consul Curio pointed out that:

After speaking with Consul Philo, we have agreed to am exemption to this edict. However, the exemption goes as follows. There will be one Pater Patrum, as per your bylaws. However this individual will need to be elected or else you're in conflict with your own bylaws as being leaderless.


Therefore, as you know, I just had no choice.

This morning, I was contacted by the Consul Curio. Exchanged views, we came to the conclusion that the authorities want a solution to this situation: as long as we do not decide that is time to the election of Pater Patrum, Consilium Patrum will manage the board. Two Faters will be designated as a collegium nominee administrators.

Consuls Philo and Curio, taking into account the above, we still hold elections in Consilium Patrum, according to our bylaw. After the elections, we will notify you of the two responsible persons with whom the RR authorities can contact.
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Re: Elections

Postby Titus Flavius Severus » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:23 pm

I supplemented the introductory part of the subject according to the new circumstances.

Freater Laterensis, I invite you to put forward your candidacy for the Fater, in my opinion, given the situation, it would be relevant.
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Re: Elections

Postby Appius Iunius Seneca » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:29 pm

Salvete

Frater Severus - you have my full support.
I can not be Pater yet - in my Mithraic initiation I am not close to the grade of Pater. It will take few years until I will arrive to the grade of Pater. :)
I would like to suggest the candidate: Marcus Valerius Corvus. He is already Pater.

As I wrote - there are already Mithraic communities out of our Republic - so if there will be too much political pression on Mithraic Cult in our Republic then it can happened that Mithraism will be not more a part of this Republic.

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Re: Elections

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:52 pm

Appius Iunius Laterensis wrote:Salvete

Frater Severus - you have my full support.
I can not be Pater yet - in my Mithraic initiation I am on 3 grade - Miles. It will take few years until I will arrive to the grade of Pater. :)
I would like to suggest the candidate: Marcus Valerius Corvus. He is already Pater.

As I wrote - there are already Mithraic communities out of our Republic - so if there will be too much political pression on Mithraic Cult in our Republic then it can happened that Mithraism will be not more a part of this Republic.

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You are right, Laterensis. And I hope you will see the actions of our Consules as an act of good will and respect towards the Mithraists.
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