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What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:16 pm

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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Publius Iulius Albinus » Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:29 am

These being the words of Publius Iulius Albinus Alexander.
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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Lucius Metilius Niger » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:16 pm

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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:07 pm

I am pleased to see that we agree on the importance of the religio in our Republic. If the religio romana was not the main purpose of our organization, then it would have none. Anything else is already taken care of by other modern organizations.
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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Marcus Minucius Audens » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:34 pm

Gentlemen;

For my part I agree totally with Censor Brutus in his view of the RR nation. In my view, it would be unfortunate if RR was turned into a "Relious Republic' by short-viewed individuals. The Roman Empire was too great for that kind of religous reduction of the facts. I do not mind others beliefs as long as they do not interfere with my own. I do not believe in gremlins under every bridge or spirits living in a river. When I see the things that others see that have NO physical or scientific answers then I will consider changing my view. Until such time as that occurs, let us have a total set of aspects within RR and let the religous ideas live along with the practical ideas. It is said the religion lives within the heart and in my view that is where it should stay. In that way each man and woman can live the religous life that they desire, unbothered and unfettered by those who would force their ideas on others!

When you get too deep into the religous theory you will find some rather unpleasant ideas which plagued the Republic and the Empire well into the Byzantine period. Be cautious in what you desire and expect because all is not sweetness and light in the Roman Empire, just as in all other cultural organizantions that are based on humanities and its ills!

In closing, I do not mean to criticize any belief system, any more than any other member here, but rather to bring a different view to the argument.

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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:45 pm

Salve honorabilis Marce Audens!

The Religio Romana cannot be measured by the same standards as Christianity or Islam. The Religio does not force a particular belief on anybody. It does not explain the world or teach a certain ethical or philosophical system like these so called "world religions". The Religio is no world religion, it is a national religion. It is about Roman traditions, Roman culture and the Roman way of life. It is possible to honor the Religio and additionally pray to any other foreign god, be it Jesus, Mohammed, Quetzalcoatl or whatever. One can believe that the world was created in 6 days, in a Big Bang or that it is eternal without a beginning. It is not a natural science, not a philosophy and not a form of psycho-therapy.

But in our Republic the Religio Romana has to be respected. It is the heart of our culture. And this respect extends to the religious offices like the Collegium Pontificum and the augures. Disrespect against their office and authority, even if one follows the belief in other gods or prophets, is unacceptable. For example if the augures advice against a Senate session being held at a certain day, then their advice is binding even for Senators who consider themselves Christians, Buddhists or whatever.

I hope we can agree on that.

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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Marcus Aurelius Seianus » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:06 pm

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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:25 pm

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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:20 am

Consul Philo said it all. We just need to follow the Declaration. The CDR has primacy and official recognition as the religion of our Organization, but this organization has mechanisms that make it so no religion is disrespected an no one is forced to be of any given religion to hold most public offices. We are a diverse community and that is our main strength. The CDR is just one of the pillars of our society, and, as the other pillars, it is not for everyone and no one should be forced on it.
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Re: What do we mean by a spiritual Roman nation? What role does the Roman Republic play?

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