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Roman Temples

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Re: Roman Temples

Postby Gaius Florius Lupus » Wed May 03, 2017 12:30 pm

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Re: Roman Temples

Postby Lucius Metilius Niger » Wed May 03, 2017 8:27 pm

I can not speak in the place of Livia, the Italians, the French, but what I can say is that I'm waiting with great impatience after you for create living, real, even small communities. we always start small. We are suspicious or indifferent to the virtual republics of the Nova Roma type who claims to reproduce the Old republic. You say that you are very different, but for most outside people, it is exactly the same thing. I'm sorry. Here it has been a long time since people think that virtual republics are a mistake now.
I would like you to be accepted by the Latin community (Italian, French, etc), that is why I allow myself to come regularly to criticize you, to harass you, because I am sad to see that you reproduce the same defects of The old republic (wars of egos, divisions, jealousies, oligarchy, run to titles of magistrates etc), and that the projects you should have (especially concerning the CDR) are polluted by these divisions, like role player gaming, and such complicated procedures they are long.
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Re: Roman Temples

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Re: Roman Temples

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Re: Roman Temples

Postby Lucius Metilius Niger » Thu May 04, 2017 4:06 pm

Hello,

At present, the CPR has a constitution created by Massimo, at the time of its foundation a few years ago and which indeed resembles a virtual republic, something that I personally regret. But this Constitution needs to be reviewed and simplified, because it is not viable in reality. Massimo, who was a little too political, had Marxist Leninist views, and planned to make the CPR a political as well as a religious group. Since then he has left, and other people have taken over the relay, accentuating activities on CDR and real encounters. There are always votes, a senate, tribes, etc., but what was too complicated was dismissed, in order to privilege the essential: the local meetings, and the good will above all.

We (french cultores) are now thinking of the possible ways to legally integrate the Italian CPR, because today only a moral fraternity unites us, as is the case with Costa Rica ( Tribal opalina) and Brazil (vila paga). Anyway, it will not stop us from going hand in hand.

Our goal is not to look like the RR, or NR or RPR, we try to do the reverse, ie avoid creating too long and tedious procedures and laws, and avoid divisions related to egocentrism , Or political ideologies.

Only the CDR, the Romanitas binds us, and unites us, as with you,

The CPR is far from being a perfect organization, of course, but I believe that what makes it an organization that has the future is that it starts at the beginning, by humble things I believe : To dynamize and coordinate the local tribes, with a view to coordinating the meetings on the International.

We have no global vision and ambition, we are not "isolationists" but just realistic. We know that it will not be possible to unite all the cultores of the world and we do not want it. It is true that the language barrier is important, many Italians and French do not master English alas.

We just want to allow people to see each other as regularly as possible, and above all to practice the CDR in a humble, convivial and sincere way. The rest is of little importance to us, and especially not the "Politics" of the Roman groups, or the "imperialist" ambitions of some.

We are open to friendships and fraternities, on the condition that our Roman brothers do not lose themselves in virtual complications, complex procedures and disproportionate ambitions.

We do not seek to unite polytheists with academics and reenactors. We know that it is illusory to pretend to unite all the world, and dangerous to want to mix genres.

Livia Plauta was an old NR and RPR, today she knows the boundaries of the virtual republics, and sees in the CPR the type of organization on a "human" scale, sincere, humble and convivial. All we need for our Religio.
Politics does not interest us.

Today the majority of Italians and French are indifferent to the RR, but that does not mean they are your enemies, quite the contrary. It is true that Livia and I have a suspicious look towards you, you know, but it is mainly because of the internal wars you are engaging in, your too heavy laws, and the liabilities of the NR that still haunts your organization.

There is the language barrier, there is also mistrust of virtual organizations of the NR type, but also the fact that today you can not manage to CDR in real. This is not a reproach, it is a finding.

If you show that you are coordinating the North American community, and you are organizing meetings, annual rituals, etc., I think that the cultores of europe will be very happy, and will give you much more credibility than today.

I really believe in it, and it is really the reason that makes me be here, with you, we are not enemies, we are your brothers and sisters of Pietas, this is a certainty.

The critics are not "attacks" but opinions, opinions, suggestions of people who have been expedited in polytheistic groups, real encounters, coordination between the Internet and reality, so that one day we can meet with each other. Officer together rituals, to meet at congresses etc.

As long as you do not get lost in "virtual games", we will always be your friends.
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Re: Roman Temples

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Thu May 04, 2017 5:18 pm

Have you ever heard the phrase "He who needs to say he's a King is no King"? I'm starting to think that works with "humility" as well. Honestly, you constantly say you and your group are humble, but to this day I see nothing of it. On the contrary, all I see is malice and pride. I've seen your conversations in facebook and other media Niger. I understand enough of french to understand it... You mock the RR behind its back constantly and treat us like idiots. Even when we asked you to help and participate you mocked that to your friends as us being "arrogant"... Sincerely all I ever seen here was a group trying to do something very hard (for free) and you looking down on it constantly.

We have a lot of rules? Aye, we do. And those rules make so no one has ever been expelled or mistreated inside the RR. Everything has a procedure and every administrator has to be accountable.

You talked with malice of our titles when your CPR has just as many titles if not more... Why you never mentioned that? For me that shows foul play, sincerely... When will you admit that we just have titles that divide Functions and Responsibilities and that this is normal for any organization? When will you admit the work being done tirelessly by our people to help spread the CDR and create conditions for meetups in the real world? Don't come with me with your arrogance. When Pharia was born it had 4 members. That was in 2014? 2013? Now it has around 20. After all these years. 20. And you come to us and demand we have rustling and bustling communities after only ONE year? I'll tell you what you are Niger, a bully and a hypocrite.

The RR has only shown good faith towards you and your people. Even after constant attacks we showed you good faith and accepted your application for Procurator. Even after constant attacks we still invited you to be part of the Solution instead of the Problem. And you spat on our outstretched hand. All while still posting "with frindship and fraternity". You do not fool anyone with those words.

Livia dislikes the RR because she sees it as a competition, not because it is a "virtual republic". The CPR has the structure of a "virtual republic". The real thing Im seeing here is you guys seeing the RR as some kind of threat and trying desperately to kill it or at least make it uninteresting for Europeans so not to threaten your little empire. Well, guess what? The RR doesnt want to take away your crown. It doesnt care about your petty narcisism. It wants to help unite groups and work together. The day you find out you want that too, let me know. Until then, you are still a two-faced hypocrite and an embarassment to our Gods and ancestors.

Have a nice day...
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Re: Roman Temples

Postby Publius Iunius Brutus » Thu May 04, 2017 8:40 pm

Brutus sal.

I long suspected such political motivations and double standards. Especially after a short communication with a CPR "Censor" a few months ago. Alas, I think good old Marcus Aurelius says it best in this case.

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Re: Roman Temples

Postby Titus Flavius Severus » Thu May 04, 2017 10:35 pm

Salvete,

O tempora, o mores! Niger ferox verbis est. Errare humanum est, stultum est in errore perseverare.

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Re: Roman Temples

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Re: Roman Temples

Postby Lucius Metilius Niger » Fri May 05, 2017 10:07 am

Hello,

So I'm sorry, but I can not decently continue to let you call me hypocrit all the time.

I consider that I have been fairly frank and courageous for almost a year now to have come to register on this forum, and on Facebook, thinking that I can express myself freely, to express my opinions, my doubts, And some of my criticisms, see also if indeed my doubts were confirmed; Hoping until yesterday still, that we could work together despite everything, despite our different points of view, or our different ways of carrying out a number of objectives related to the Romanity, and specifically the Roman religion. (Via internet or real)

Alas, there are not only great distances which separate us, and if we are undoubtedly "Brothers of Piety", for some of you, in a sense, we do not have the same views and The same approaches to promote the Roman religion in a humble and living way. In any case as we imagine here in Europe. We don't want to be "subservient" to the RR, directly or indirectly. clearly.

I consider that the CDR must be real, practiced in reality, and between cultores, in a convivial, humble way (that's why I speak of humility, yes), and not through pompous and pretentious virtual scaffolding. (Such as the distribution of titles of magistrates when in reality they are only virtual posts: moderation, etc.)

You are focused on virtual institutions, outdated, and heavy, pompous, and you think that the CPR does like you? You are wrong. The difference is that we do not play role role we, and we do not pretend to be the Roman Republic. The titles used in the CPR are 100% functional, they do not serve to make them an idle display, to boast and shine, or to explode any authority in the face of people. I encourage you to discuss with our Consul Vanessa, instead of contacting a censor (Dario Arceri) by means roundabout.

You can withdraw my candidacy for the post of "Procurator" (term so pompous and pretentious there too) of the Gauls as well as my citizenship within your web-site, forum, etc. I also expect you to delete my account as soon as possible.

It is a shame, a minimum of cooperation between us, even fragile could have been valuable to you. But it's probably better that way. I do not lose anything, you lose a lot. Find this pretentious if you want.

I do not leave as an enemy, since we are not really enemy, and I do not consider myself as your enemy, and I do not consider you as enemies, but confreres, I simply do not have time to play Role play with you guys, and conduct small civil wars. In another life can be?
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