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Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

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Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Fri May 27, 2016 9:10 am

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Re: Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Marcus Grattius Frenzius » Fri May 27, 2016 2:41 pm

The fire of Vesta should be the first priority as from it all other lamps, candles, etc will be lit. Vesta's fire serves to receive all offerings and thus it should be lit first because it is ideal that your charcoal disc receives Her heat and energy or else your incense stick or cone. Vesta may come before Janus in this instance simply because we do not maintain household fires, however, She should not be given any offerings initially because that place of importance belongs to Janus alone. It is Greek practice to offer the fire Goddess both first and last, while in Rome Vesta is always given the final place of importance at the end of the rite. The first offering then goes to Janus with incense and wine.
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Re: Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Gaia Cassia Longina » Sat May 28, 2016 6:34 am

Salve,

I usually light my candles, incense, etc. as the first thing I do (after purifying) and then I offer the wine or food. I typically begin with the candles, then move to the incense, and finally the other offerings. I typically do not *start* with the gods and address the ancestors first, then comes Janus, and lastly Vesta.
As for the offerings, on normal days, I usually keep fresh water, salt, wine, and dried foods (like crackers, or rice) - it tends to keep the bugs away. If it is a holiday, I may offer honey cakes or the closest I can get to the "first wine" for Liber.
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Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:22 am

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Postby Caeso Cispius Laevus » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:23 am

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Re: Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:08 am

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Re: Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:47 am

Id put the words Pater or Mater after the name instead of before or simply write it in english. Writing Mater Vesta sounds strange to me. Id either write it Vesta Mater or Mother Vesta personally. But that's just me...
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Re: Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:05 am

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Re: Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Aurelius Curio » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:17 am

Curio Sal.

I tend to agree with Philo on this matter. Consistent English throughout our ceremonies would be more clear to the general populace. After all, not everyone has even a minor understanding of Latin. And I know a few people that have even been scared away by the prospect of Latin in rituals, as they didn't fully understand it.

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Re: Discussing Praefatio - Stage II [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:35 am

I fully agree.
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