Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

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Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:52 am

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Salvete!

Just to recap. The Societas Numaea has been founded to create a standardized ceremonial text for the sacra publica. This text is to be as historically mindful as possible. See viewtopic.php?f=7&t=531

Through consensus on our research the Societas Numaea has determined that all ceremonies within this publication are to have the following "stages":

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I. Purificatio - purification of self, offerings, altar with water

II. Praefatio - address (+/- offerings of wine / incense) to Ianus and Vesta. Light any fires/burners on altar

III. Salutatio - Here additional deities are invited to attend the ceremony and are greeted, this always includes the primary deities receiving an offering, but includes others as well. Here offerings of wine or incense are often made, each deity is addressed individually and receives an individual libation or offering of incense

IV. Precatio - 4 PARTS:
(I) Address the primary deity/deities being honored (offerings of wine/incense made)
(II) statement made explaining why the sacrifice is occurring
(III) present what is being offered
(IV) statement regarding the desired result(s) from the ceremony

V. Immolatio - Make the primary sacrifice to the deity/deities being honored

VI. Redditio - (Optional) Here any additional offerings to the deities invited to attend the ceremony occur

VII. Piaculum - Statements made to each deity addressed in ceremony for reparation for any unnoticed error in the ceremony. Vesta is always addressed last.



On this post, I would like to discuss the third stage, Salutatio.

What are the essential components of this stage? Which deities should be addressed? For example, if a ceremony is dedicated to Ceres should Liber Libera be included? Should we make some pairings of deities official for our text?

I suggest we determine the deities invited to attend ceremonies which are primarily dedicated to the following common Roman Gods:

Iuppiter
Mars
Quirinius
Iuno
Minerva
Ceres
Neptunus
Venus
Apollo
Diana
Volcanus
Vesta
Mercurius
Ianus
Saturnus
Tellus
Carmenta
Falacer
Flora
Furrina
Palatua
Pomona
Portunus
Vulcanus
Volturnus
Aesculapius
Bona Dea
Castor and Pollux
Consus
Faunus
Fortuna
Pales
Silvanus

In what order should particular deities be addressed? What textual formula should be used? Should there be multiple versions of the text agreed upon? What are acceptable offerings? Should acceptable offerings be defined? Should certain gestures be defined? What parts of this stage should be the same and consistent between all ceremonies conducted for the sacra publica?

I'm interested in hearing your ideas. Later I will share my thoughts.

valete.

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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:00 am

I would like to suggest you include Feronia in that list.
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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Curtius Philo » Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:43 am

Gaius Atius Victor wrote:I would like to suggest you include Feronia in that list.


Salve!

Who would you pair with the Goddess? Any additions to the list should require some suggestions for invocations during the salutatio! (smile)

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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:49 am

Feronia had a husband who's function is little known. Can't recall his name though. Will look it up later
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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Aurelius Curio » Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:19 am

Curio Philo Sal.

I would also ask that you include Semo Sancus Dius Fidius, as the God of Oaths due to his close relationship to Iuppiter. You could partner him with either Fides or Salus, as far as I could tell he never was partnered with anyone specifically. Only mention I've found for family us him being the din of Iuppiter (attested by Varro).

Best bet though would be to partner him with Salus because if their close proximity on Quirinal Hill, and several inscriptions to Sancus was found on Collis Salutaris, which was dedicated to Salus. I believe this should be good evidence to tie those two together.

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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Lucius Vitellius Triarius » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:28 am

Here attached is what i have for Apollo so far. It is a working draft.
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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Marcus Grattius Frenzius » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:11 pm

Why do deities require to have partners? I don't understand?
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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Marcus Grattius Frenzius » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:18 pm

The Salutatio is, quite simply, a means to "salute" the deity and hail them was you approach the altar or shrine. You basically are saying "hello" and offer oblations of incense and a libation of wine or milk (depending on the deity). It is quite similar in essence to the praefatio with Janus.
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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Gaius Curtius Philo » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:37 pm

Marcus Grattius Frenzius wrote:Why do deities require to have partners? I don't understand?


This also confused me lol
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Re: Discussing Salutatio - Stage III [SOCIETAS NUMAEA]

Postby Marcus Grattius Frenzius » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:40 pm

The Salutatio is the initial invitation of the deity or group of deities being celebrated. It could be Jupiter alone or it could be for the Capitoline Triad as defined by the religious occasion.
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