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August 3, 2017 at 12:56 pm #2538
The situation with the military collegium is not permissible. The state in which this collegium is located is outrageous. Attempts by the government with the help of laws and interference in the affairs of the collegiums only exacerbated the deplorable situation. We watched this for a long time, staying aside.
The Leg. XI C.P.F. is the only reenactment union in the Roman Republic, in fact, if we do not take into account the loners, then we are the reenactment community of the whole Roman Republic. Unlike the military collegium, which has been active for less than a year, our community has already celebrated its tenth anniversary. We have a rich knowledge base and specialists. Yes, there is a language barrier, great distances and the fact that we are not Internet-oriented. But this does not allow the responsible persons to ignore our existence, not to listen to our opinion or the opinion of our representatives, or to interfere in any way in the affairs of reenactment with people who do not understand this.
Since we, the Leg. XI C.P.F., are the military collegium of the Roman Republic, as the only organized community of historical reenactment, we declare the following:
1. We create the collegium "Leg. XI C.P.F."
2. Discussion of this panel will be held in this section of the forum. The discussion is open to all who will take an active part in the 11th legion, that is, who are studying military history or historical reconstruction of Rome (not necessarily military oriented).
3. Leg. XI C.P.F., If successful, being the only active community, we will achieve recognition of the legion as the official historical community of the Roman Republic, that is, we will replace the military collegium.
4. Being the only active community, we will achieve recognition of the Leg. XI C.P.F. as the official Republic Legion.
5. The Leg. XI C.P.F. will be created with the maximum historical certainty, which is possible, given the circumstances. As in the time of the ancient Rome, officers and of the Legion, will be engaged in the management of our province. In turn, some magistracy of our province can be occupied only by those who served or serve in the legion. This will be an unprecedented step, however, for the sake of historical certainty, we are ready to do this, and to provide people from America or Korea etc, to take part in the governance of our province, as it was in ancient Rome.
6. We are creating not just a legion or a military collegium, we are creating a coordination center, the structure of which has not existed before. We will try to use the Internet to attract under our banners single people or groups of people around the world to create from them a single whole, a united family that will be represented by representatives on the ground.
All questions, suggestions, etc., you can write in this thread.
The draft of the charter of the collegium has already been discussed by the representatives of our reenactment community. Censor Severus promised to publish it the other day, after making our corrections there. So we can discuss it here soon.
CRASSVS | SARMATIAAugust 3, 2017 at 1:41 pm #10957
My friend, since you made such a fiery speech, then I have nothing else to do but hurry up with the amendment of the ByLaws. I will try to do everything in the course of the day, so as not to lose time and start the discussion on the merits.
Дружище, раз уж ты выступил с такой пламенной речью, то мне не остаётся ничего другого, как поторопиться с корректировкой устава. Я постараюсь сделать все в течении дня, что бы не терять времени и приступить к обсуждению по существу.
Слава Одиннадцатому! (=August 3, 2017 at 8:03 pm #10960
LEGIO XI CLAUDIA PIA FIDELIS
A Collegium of the Roman Republic Cultural Group
The purpose of this collegium is to establish a group for those interested in Roman-themed history, study, research, reenactment and living history events. Thus, this group aims to unite historians, researchers, re-enactors, artisans and other enthusiasts of Roman history.
In accordance with the provisions of the Declaration of the Roman Republic, a model of the organizational structure of this collegium should, if possible, conform to the model of the Roman army or Legio.
Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis is the official military-historical community (collegium) of the Roman Republic.
«Legio XI Claudia Pia Fidelis» is the main name of this collegium, but the following names can also be used on a par with that name: Militia, Militia Romana, Leg. XI, Legio XI C.P.F., Legio, Legio Romana, Collegium Militarium.
A. 1st Officer of the Legio – the Legio is led by a Legatus, who shall serve as President of the Legio (collegium). Each five years, the Senate shall appoint a Legatus from among the members of the Legio for a term of five (5) year. If a majority of the members of the Legio’s Staff do not agree with a nominee appointed by the Senate, then the President of the Legio shall be elected for a term of one (1) year by a majority of members of the Legio. The Legatus must be a registered citizen of the Roman Republic Cultural Group and a member of the Ordo Patricius or the Ordo Equester. There are no term limits. The Legatus can be dismissed from his post at his own will or by decision of the majority of military tribunes.
B. 2nd Officer of the Legio – The Tribunus laticlavius shall serve as the First Vice-President of the Militia. The group’s Founder, T. Flavius Severus, shall hold the position of Tribunus laticlavius for life.
C. 3rd Officer of the Legio – The Praefectus Castrorum shall serve as the Second Vice-President of the Collegium, is appointed by and serves at the will of the Legatus. The Praefectus Castrorum will be responsible for coordinating activities of the Legio. The appointee must be a registered citizen of the Roman Republic Cultural Group.
D. 4th Officer of the Legio – The Tribunus angusticlavius shall serve as the Third Vice-President of the Militia. The Tribunus angusticlavius is the leader of a group (community) of ten or more re-enactors, each must be a registered citizen of the Roman Republic Cultural Group and have full historically authentic equipment. The candidacy for Tribunus angusticlavius must be approved by a majority of the members of Staff of the Legio. It is recommended for the Tribunus angusticlavius to be a member of the Ordo Patricius or the Ordo Equester, they must be of assidui status and registered citizen of the Roman Republic Cultural Group. Simultaneously there can be no more than five tribuni angusticlavii, each having equal powers. The Tribunus angusticlavius may be removed from office by a majority of members the Legio’s Staff.
D.1. The Tribunus sexmenstris – is an equivalent position in relation to the office of the Tribunus angusticlavius and shall serve as the Third Vice-President of the Legio. Appointed by the Legatus for a period of six months. In the legion there can be only one Tribunus sexmenstris. Person can not hold this office for two consecutive terms. The Tribunus sexmenstris must be of assidui status and registered citizen of the Roman Republic Cultural Group.
E. Primipilus – The Legatus may appoint a minor officer to handle the administrative and financial tasks of the Legio, to serve at the will of the Legatus. Appointee must be a registered citizen of the Roman Republic Cultural Group and be at least 21 years of age.
F. Officium – The Staff of Militia is a group of officers listed in sections II.A-E that is responsible for the administrative, operational and logistical needs of Collegium. The Officium also provides an executive function.
A. The Voting Membership in the Legio shall be constituted by one who is a registered citizen of the Roman Republic Cultural Group and listed in registry of members of the Legio (except for civis).
B. Each member (except for civis) shall be entitled to one (1) vote. In the case of a tie vote, the sitting Tribunus laticlavius shall be allowed to cast a second vote to break the tie.
C. Voting may be done in any matter that is fair and equal to the membership (except for civis), and that is chosen by the sitting Legatus.
D. Electronic voting may be conducted online as long as the voting period lasts at least seven (7) days, so that all members (except for civis) can vote. This may be by electronic polling, by message response, or by other means.
E. The registery (list) of the Collegium`s members is administered by the Praefectus Castrorum, who makes changes on it on behalf of a superior officer.
F. Members of the Collegium are called the milites (except for civis). All members, except for civis and those who hold offices listed in sections II.A-E, are divided into three categories:
1) Milites principales – members performing certain duties, whereby vested with some authority;
2) Milites immunes – members performing useful work, involved in scientific research or experts;
3) Milites gregarii – ordinary members.
D. Civis – member of the еру collegium who does not engage in historical reenactment and who does not have the right to vote and can not be elected to any position within the collegium.
IV. GOOD STANDING REQUIREMENT
A. Members of the Legio must remain in good standing with the Legio. A member may be removed from the Legio Membership by:
1. Engaging in actions that would cause damage to the well-being and reputation of the Collegium and its members;
2. Resigning membership in the group;
3. The loss of Roman citizenship.
4. By decision of the Officium or a special judicial body of the Legio.
V. CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESSES
A. All Legio Members should attempt to work issues out between themselves first.
B. If members in conflict cannot reach an agreement between themselves, then they may ask a member, multiple members or the entire group to mediate their issues.
C. If no agreement can be reached through the mediation process, then the matter shall be brought before the Legatus, who shall act as Arbitrator. The decision of the Arbitrator is final.
D. A special judicial body of the Legio is the Tribunal of the Legio, formed by the Legatus.
E. In the event that all the internal authorities of the Legio have passed, the member has the right to appeal the decision to the competent judicial authority of the Roman Republic.
VI. GROUP DENARII TRANSFERS
A. Finances and property are managed by a specially appointed person – a tessarius. The tessarius carries out operations with the finances and property of the Legio in consultation with the Legatus or his substitute. In the absence of the tessarius, Legatus personally performs operations with the finances and property of the Legio.
VII. FORMATION AND DISSOLUTION
A. The Legio is hereby formed as a Collegium of the Roman Republic Cultural Group.
B. The Legio may be dissolved by unanimous vote of the members, subject to the approval of the Tribunus laticlavius.
C. In the event the Legio is dissolved, any denarii left in the group account must be distributed to the Senate of the Roman Republic Cultural Group or another Roman Republic Cultural Group collegium as determined by a majority vote of the voting members.
VIII. GROUP MEETINGS
A. The Legio may hold group meetings, either in person or electronically, as needed or required.
B. Any member listed in sections II.A-E may call or attend a group meeting.
C. Members must be notified of all meetings at least three (3) days prior to said meeting.
D. Minutes of meetings shall not be required to be kept if the meeting occurs via the group`s main forum, which will serve as the historical record of the Legio. In the event a macronational face-to-face or online/telephone conference is held, minutes may be kept and posted to the group`s main forum. The decision to record minutes of any meeting held other than on the group`s main forum is at the sole discretion and decision of the sitting Legatus.
A. These By-Laws may be amended by three-quarters vote (except for civis) of the Legio with the exception of Sections II.B., VII.B. which are non-amendable.
B. Thirty (14) days notice must be given to all voting members prior to the called meeting to discuss the By-Laws. A voting period shall follow immediately after the discussion meeting, following the aforementioned 7-day voting period format.August 3, 2017 at 8:12 pm #10961
This progect of collegium ByLaws was reviewed and approved by the reenactment community of Leg. C.P.F. This project is now available for discussion. If there are no constructive amendments and additions, then this project will be considered adopted.August 3, 2017 at 11:44 pm #10964
This is a great initiative! For me the Bylaws are very good. The only thing I’d add is a court of appeal for members that were expelled. Remember that the Bylaws of the RR say there should always be some form in which a person can appeal a sentancing, for juridicial security. 🙂August 4, 2017 at 9:37 am #10965
This question has already been asked, as we discussed this section. The fact is that, as a general rule, a person, as a citizen of the Roman Republic, can turn to the office of the Praetor. Therefore, we did not specifically express this provision in a separate paragraph of the Bylaws. Nevertheless, judging by your question, I think that such a provision should be made for general visibility.
Thank you for the kind words! As you know, we went for a very long time! (=August 4, 2017 at 9:46 am #10966
I’ll mark all the edits in red.August 4, 2017 at 10:48 am #10970
Моё предложение такое. В раннем варианте Устава было написано, что Север, как организатор всей этой группы, пожизненно получает должность зам. командира легиона. Я думаю, что эту строчку нужно вернуть. Наш клуб и так прилично "подставляется" под создание этой группы, так что если мы, как клуб, будет работать на это группу, то мы должны иметь какие-то гарантии, что кто-то из останется у руля и сможет защищать интересы клуба. Север для этого самый достойный.
I prupose make Titus Flavius Severus second officer position for life and make this article not changeble.August 4, 2017 at 12:16 pm #10973
В твоих словах есть толк. Я включу этот пункт в устав, если большинство не будет против.
In your words there is a sense. I will include this item in the charter, if the majority does not object.August 5, 2017 at 12:06 pm #10988
I think, nobody will against. So do add to statutum.
I see many people intersting in reconstruction here 😆 I see man, he want make another reconstruction group, it is very nice, because we make this club and only we intersting and speak here, but we already club, and nobody speak with him, because no any another coomunity in Republic. What he want, I do not know 😎
CRASSVS | SARMATIAAugust 5, 2017 at 1:56 pm #10991
As Tribunus Plebis, I object to these bylaws.
They would establish a military dictatorship over all Republic military and non-military re-enactment groups throughout the entire world. A Roman Civic re-enactment group in Texas would be under the military authority of the officers of the collegium.quote :quote :
How this particular Leg. XI C.P.F. is formed and run is not the problem. Establish these bylaws for this legion yourselves. Fine. Have a sub forum under the Collegium Militarium.
But the Collegium Militarium itself must accomodate other independent legions or historians in a collegial republican way. If a separate Re-enactment collegium is to be established, it too must be establihed in a collegial republican way. Military re-enactment is not the only possible event.
P. Sextius Laevus
Tribunus Plebis MinorAugust 5, 2017 at 2:21 pm #10992
I see no problem. We can start as you want, then the military collegium will rot alone. This group is decaying from the moment I got citizenship. Do you know why? Because doing this group, you did not agree this question with us – real re-enactor society. You should be grateful that we undertook to rebuild this direction. You do not want? Without any problems, we will not do anything either. Say hello to the group from Texas. I’m sure they will revive this direction. Our commander asked us to help, we tried to do it. If most people do not like this, then we do not impose ourselves, do it yourself. It only makes us feel better. I’m already tired of using Google Translator.August 5, 2017 at 2:32 pm #10993
Север, чисто для истории. Я тебе говорил как все будет? Так и случилось. У меня нет желания с ними сотрудничать. Баба с возу кобыле легче. Не нравится так пусть сами делают. Ну они же сделали, но ничего не получилось. Ну пусть наслаждаются. Наш легион без них жил, живет и жить будет.August 5, 2017 at 2:34 pm #10994
Our problem appears to be language. Not the legion formation. Perhaps Severus would help with a better understanding between us.
LaevusAugust 5, 2017 at 2:46 pm #10995
У меня с английским проблемы. Скажу как есть. Тут все группы по истории мертвые. И будут мертвые. Мы хотели помочь, сделать живую группу. Вам не понравился наш подход. Нет проблем. Наш 11й Легион очень просил помочь наш командир – Север. Вам не нравится – мы не будет заморачиваться. Делайте что хотите, живете с мертвыми группами.August 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm #10996
Let us work on the langage problem. I think we both have good thoughts.
Google Translate is not perfect. Use both ways: Russian to English then English to Russian then fix until you like what you get back.
Do you know Latin?
Давайте работать над проблемой языка. Я думаю, у нас обоих хорошие мысли.
Переводчик Google не идеален. Используйте оба способа: с русского на английский, затем с английского на русский, затем исправьте, пока вам не понравится то, что вы вернетесь.
Вы знаете латынь?
LaevusAugust 5, 2017 at 3:35 pm #10997
Уважаемый трибун, я вам ответил в личном сообщении.August 5, 2017 at 4:05 pm #10999
Расскажите нам о своем легионе. Как он сформировался? Как часто легион
встретить? Как я могу сформировать легион в моем городе? Пожалуйста, нам бы хотелось увидеть фотографии.
LaevusAugust 5, 2017 at 4:28 pm #11001
11й Легион был присодинен к провинции еще когда мы были провинцией Нова Ромы, вот смотрите: http://legioxi-cl-p-f.3dn.ru/. Продолжаем делать тот же легион.
В своем городе, вы не можете сформировать легион. В своем городе вы можете сформировать подразделение легиона, в зависимости от количества участников это может быть контуберия, центурия, когорта.August 5, 2017 at 4:55 pm #11002
Gratias ago tibi. Bene milites visifici! Благодарю. Отличные видео! http://legioxi-cl-p-f.3dn.ru/index/0-9
LaevusAugust 6, 2017 at 9:42 am #11004
А сколько вообще полагается ждать в таких случаях. Мы уже несколько дней обсуждаем этот вопрос и кроме нас он реально никому не нужен. С таким же результатом мы могли все в клубе вчера обсудить. Пусть Север регистрирует группы с этим уставом и нашими правками.August 12, 2017 at 3:50 pm #11068
We have waited for week. Every who wanted to join told their word. I think you Severus have to creat collegium with our adds and start to work on provincial bylaws with our advices.
CRASSVS | SARMATIAAugust 13, 2017 at 6:42 pm #11080
Severus Cen. sal.
Yes I agree. Everything has already been discussed, however, I believe it is necessary to wait until Wednesday. What for? I believe that we should demonstrate our good intentions and openness to dialogue, although, as practice shows, there are no other interested parties, except us, in the Republic.
T. Fl. SeverusAugust 15, 2017 at 7:20 pm #11088
In the past we discussed the militarium being the coordination center for reenactment. I very much like this idea. We also spoke about this group founding or adopting legions. It was thought at this time that time to first found or adopted two legions. One on each side of the Atlantic. One for Europe and one for North America.
I very much like this idea. I would like to be involved in such a group. I will even take it upon myself to take a leading role in founding the North American legion if I can get the assistance of my colleagues in this newly founded coordination group and in Sarmatia and across the RR.
By doing things this way, we have a RR wide support system with more local proximity for future events.
If we go this route I suggest we ground a new group. The leadership of the militarium has yet to respond and this may be the fastest way start this process of reform.
В прошлом мы обсуждали вопрос о том, что милитаризм является координационным центром по восстановлению. Мне очень нравится эта идея. Мы также говорили об этой группе, основанной или принимающей легионы. В это время считалось, что вначале было найдено или принято два легиона. Один по обе стороны Атлантики. Один для Европы и один для Северной Америки.
Мне очень нравится эта идея. Я хотел бы участвовать в такой группе. Я даже возьму на себя обязательство взять на себя ведущую роль в создании Североамериканского легиона, если я смогу получить помощь моих коллег в этой недавно созданной координационной группе, а также в Сарматии и РР.
Делая так, у нас есть широкая система поддержки RR с более локальной близостью к будущим событиям.
Если мы пойдем по этому маршруту, я предлагаю создать новую группу. Руководство милитаризма еще не ответило, и это может быть самым быстрым способом начать этот процесс реформ.August 16, 2017 at 11:38 am #11096
Greetings! Severus, already Wednesday! What will we do? All terms have expired.
Brutus, but why two legions?One Republic=one legion. If earlier discussed two legions, where they? Problem make one legion in Republic, make two – unbelieveble. Military Collegium, in present form, has outlived itself, it will not be able to coordinate anybody, because it has no one to coordinate – there are no living participants, Sarmatians are the only ones engaged in the historical reenactment, but we are not satisfied with the current situation at the Military Collegium and its organization. Therefore we not accept and will not take any part until the collegium will reformed, same I write before. But we will be happy if you join us and our 11th! So do it! 😉
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