February 5, 2022 at 1:22 am #42379
Decimus Firmius PerusinusDenarii: 𐆖 85.15PlebeiusEria
After receiving the results of the CPIP vote in which the citizens of the Plebeian assembly abstained to vote due to corruption in the higher magistracies. Gemella and I make the following announcement.
In light of many of the remaining citizens abstaining from voting on the CPIP due to the Senators recent statements it has become clear to us that attempts to revitalize, reorganize or preserve the RR community are in the eyes of its citizens left futile. Due to the self righteous virtue signaling of Brutus and Varro the organization has refused to uphold the basic needs of preserving and educating others on the history and culture of the Romans as well as practicing the religio. The Sarmatians on the other hand have persisted in complaining about leaders removing them from power during crises that the Sarmatians themselves have caused. Moreover the Sarmatian leaders are more inclined to isolationism and screwing over the rest of the organization that they disagreement if it means creating reenactment legions and larping as Gaius Marius and the like. It is with great distress that we say that the organization’s leadership has devolved into washed up old losers playing make belief of the ancient leaders they idolize in an era where they cannot carry out these leaders’ acts of ego. To suggest otherwise is wishful thinking or denial of the inevitable, Roman Republic is dead, and alternative communities such as Imperium Romanum persist as the only remaining alternatives without this extensive corruption.
Gemella and I will continue to assist individual cives with their initiatives or personal study of the religio and culture on a personal basis, but the organization itself has been rendered a failure.
Servia Aurelia Gemella and Decimus Firmius PerusinusFebruary 5, 2022 at 1:38 am #42381
Aulus Iulius CaesarDenarii: 𐆖 3,101.20EquesterMissuria
This is one of the most sad posts I’ve ever seen, truly. No disrespect but you’ve been in this Republic 9 months. You haven’t seen the previous downs the Republic had. This is nothing compared to how low we have fallen before and due to the work of dedicated individuals we’ve risen back up. While those who truly care are working tirelessly to fix this stagnation and move us forward it’s good to see those who clearly have no interest in getting this org running again. I have 100% made my own mistakes and helped lead us here. I accepted full responsibility for this, but I will never give up. My life circumstances prevented me from giving my all last year, of which that is not the case this year. This year we will either come to a solution or a true ending, but not before we try. This sad, “We don’t want to try to find solutions so we give up” post is going to get the Republic nowhere. If you give up just say so, but those who can make change have not given up and the Republic is far from dead. Thank you for your input.February 5, 2022 at 12:46 pm #42383
Tiberius Flavius NervaDenarii: 𐆖 81.25PlebeiusSarmatia
In light of many of the remaining citizens abstaining from voting on the CPIP due to the Senators recent statements
This is a blatant lie. I am an ordinary citizen, a plebeian, and I did not vote because you, as a magistrate, did not convince me of the need to do so, and also because I do not see a rational grain in them. Do you think that one message on the forum is enough to get people interested? What results did you expect?
You do not have authority, so people do not listen to you, while you do not strive to communicate with people. People answer you the same.
I read the words of two persons who have failed and are trying to throw the blame on Brutus or Sarmatians or Senators or whatever.
It is wrong to shift the responsibility for your own failure to others, but you are doing worse, with your rhetoric you are spoiling relations with dozens of people, is this far-sighted?
I am an ordinary person, I have never been a magistrate, I have not aspired to politics. Dozens of my fellow citizens are the same simple people. And if you suddenly stop blaming others for your mistakes, you will understand that you have to work with people, establish contacts with groups, communities, interest people, and instead you are labeling and sowing dislike for yourself. How can you then think that your initiative will end in something good?
In addition, the consilium plebis does not have any significance, everything is decided by the comitia curiata. The topic where you can post proposals for the comitia curiata was published before you called the vote.
The two of you started voting without even asking the opinion of the people beforehand, decided to do everything yourself, and here is your result. The representative of Sarmatia, which you do not like, also convened a comitia, however, did he give time to all citizens to express their opinion in order to take it into account? It turns out that the Sarmatians are more focused on the people and on cooperation than those who are trying to demonize the Sarmatians in the eyes of the people.
Now I’ll just summarize. Your initiative failed not because of the reasons you invented. Everything is much simpler, most people are not interested in your initiatives, and you failed to interest most people with your initiative, which is why you failed. That’s it, that’s the whole truth. You just have to face the truth and accept. And instead, you start throwing stones, living in a glass house.
I and many others here like historical reenactment, and your proposal does not serve the interests of such people, while the declaration that you ignored says:
the Res Publica Romana is dedicated towards the following objectives:
To promote high-quality reenactment events related to ancient Rome as a means of scholarship, outreach, and cultural expression and to provide a forum for reenactors to collaborate collectively;
You did not take into account the interests of a significant part of the people, so people, in turn, ignored your proposal. It was predictable. So against this background, your expressive message looks doubly ridiculous.February 6, 2022 at 2:03 pm #42386
Numerius Caelius SaturninusDenarii: 𐆖 238.15PlebeiusFlorida
On Nerva’s point of responsibility: he’s absolutely right. Do not blame the magistrates when even the
average person and your allies refused to vote. You didn’t just lose only the patrician vote; you didn’t get
ANY votes. You can’t say nobody looks at the forum because there are a few average folks here talking
about learning Latin here and even they did not vote. The vote was unprofessional, unwarranted and
spontaneous. In most organizations, this would be called a coup.
Do not bring Gemella or Gaia into this either, I have spoken with them on the Discord, and they have
told me they weren’t even aware you had dragged them into your vote until you had made the post.
This is becoming a bad habit of yours; name dropping people to legitimize your actions. You did it with
the Societas Constantia on campaign trail, not even bothering to so much as ask for our approval nor
even speak to us after the election as if we were just there to vote for you. Since you’ve gotten into
office, I have only seen you try to give yourself more authority whether it be appealing to populism (the
justified annoyance around Sarmatia and the clunky government) or trying to have your position given
more permissions from the magistrates. Why would a Tribune need more power? Why did we need a
vote in the Concilium? Why do we need a partnership with IR in a time like this especially when it has
nothing substantial to offer? Why do you keep dragging in other people without their permission? Every
time I see you, you’re trying to advertise for IR and you’ve made it clear that if you had more power over
RR, you’d use your powers to build up IR. The other Roman groups are just pools of resources for you.
You told me that IR wouldn’t have a bureaucracy, yet I see you have made yourself both a Patrician and
Princeps of your own Senate.
As I stated before; nothing is wrong with having multiple group memberships. That was never the
problem. The problem is the conflict of interest when an official with a leading role in one, actively tries
to use the resources of the others to boost himself up. Now, you have made an attempt to seize power
in the midst of this with a vote that you yourself stated would give you the power to move the
government yourself. You didn’t even propose a path forward, rather, you tried to get emergency
powers and then talk about it. There’s a difference between cooperation and you making another shot
at annexing RR into your organization, your offers to “cooperate” with RR has always been to prop up IR.
RR has nothing to gain despite your claims. If you want people to learn Latin or celebrate holidays, that’s
what you should have been doing on the forums instead of advertising your own organization. I help
anyone that asks about Latin, it’s pretty rare, however. You don’t need extra powers to do that. If you
wanted to listen to the people, you should have done a poll to see what people think first. Do you form
another country to support your country? Or become president in one, promote it in the second and
then attempt a coup by trying to appeal to agitated and aggravated people? Do you see why I have a
hard time believing you aren’t self-serving for your own project? You never wanted to improve RR, you
wanted to build your commune and RR happened to be the place you could get in power and some
support. You don’t interact with people outside of asking for their vote or grandstanding about IR. You
only wanted us to vote for you in SC, you didn’t even post a thing before leaving the Camillus program,
even now the only interaction with the other magistrates has been you trying to get a partnership. If you
wanted a think tank to create a road map, you would’ve come to the SC, it’s what we are for. Evidently,
you don’t care what organization you’re in or who’s with you, they’re all steppingstones for IR which, of
course, is going to lead them all.
- This reply was modified 9 months, 4 weeks ago by Numerius Caelius Saturninus.
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