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January 26, 2022 at 5:51 pm #42362
P. Iunius Brutus sal.
I posted the following on our Discord a few hours ago. But I think it’s worth sharing here:
Salvete,
I’ve had a rough new year. I caught the damn virus and it hit me like a ton of bricks. That’s the reason for missing the CC meeting. There was no way I could do auspices etc.
I’m 75% back to normal. I also got a voice mail from Varro on the state of affairs here.
Here is where I stand:
I’m not angry or surprised about the present state of affairs here. I empathize why others are upset and frustrated. I’m equally not shocked why certain groups, such as Sarmstia, who are not victims are also pointing fingers. But from the big picture of the goals of why the RR was founded, I think we are going to be just fine. But it will require understanding that we are collectively part of the problem and therefore part of the solution. That’s good news, as it means we can do something to improve things if we do choose.
Now don’t get me wrong. I am disappointed that no CC meeting can be called by another lictor until recently, especially considering my recent illness. I’m disappointed no augur wants or can help with me with auspices (besides Curio who does help). I am disappointed that not enough candidates stood for high office this year. I’m disappointed that key citizens who had clear jobs to do failed to do 9/10 that was required, and what they volunteered to do.
But don’t get me wrong. I’m disappointed in the manner a student is disappointed if they get a poor score on a test. This present outcome provides an important lesson. For that, I’m also grateful.
For the past two years I’ve remained out of any high office, acting as a mentor, in part to see what would happen. To stress test the system we created here. Ultimately our “test scores” of this “stress test” tell us the present system isn’t viable. That’s the primary lesson.
That’s a GOOD lesson to learn.
But a bitter lesson still. I understand. I believe I feel it more astutely than most. I personally invested a lot of effort and energy into crafting the management system we have. So it’s frustrating, personally, even sad, that it does not work as I would like. But the reality should not be ignored because the lesson is unpleasant
When I strip away all the superfluous things from what I dream the RR to be personally. I’m left with the following — I want a place to commune and teach about LIVING the virtues, living romanitas and the stoic values, while exploring the CDR and romanitas as a system by which to FACE LIFE PRACTICALLY FOR TODAY.
Communities form organically from one man or woman living what they preach and obtaining desired results that are demonstrable to others. Others join such people seeking similar results. This forms groups. Such groups influence neighborhoods, which influence towns, which influence provinces, which influence countries which influence the world.
It does not start from any online committee. Or magistrate. It starts from you as an individual living in a manner that is PROOF of the value of living the virtues.
Of all the virtues, now is the time to have the COURAGE to acknowledge what has worked and what has not. To face that reality. Maybe even on a personal level? To have the TEMPERANCE to not let disappointment about such a reality to result in false notions of victimhood or personal attacks. To take the facts of the past and today and to gain WISDOM from them. Then, ultimately to act in a manner that brings JUSTICE. Not only justice as we understand it today. But justice as the Roman philosophers described it. To do the right thing which yields results that allow for a legacy of more virtue to be made manifest.
So personally, I want to turn more introspective in my approach here. Less focus on building some political replica of Rome. Maybe NR is the place for such things?
I desire more focus upon building back the virtues and living them. What are the virtues? How do you live them? How are they relevant today? What tools exist to help you learn and live them? What does stoic philosophy and the other thinkers of antiquity actually teach? How can we apply these lessons? How does this fit with ideas about spirituality and the CDR? How does this influence ideas on the divine? How do we best seek patronage and communication with the divine?
I personally seek a community based on wanting to answer these questions and to remain focused on these questions. Undistracted by 3 or more elections a year or protracted debates over other so called Roman organizations, or bogged down in a system that by its very nature encourages political discourse over practical action.
Our most valuable asset is time. I feel embarking on the present course further is to squander this precious asset.
So I propose the following:
– To focus the leadership of the RR upon simply benign admin tasks and into one body with longer terms. To be reconstituted into a single body geared towards strategic planing, and upkeep of the assets if the organization.
– to shift the core focus on our most educated citizens towards producing actual content. Books, podcasts, etc that address LIVING the virtues / CDR today in a practical manner which addresses the needs of the present. We live in some of the most chaotic times in the last 60 years. It’s also going to get a lot darker on a global scale, I predict, before we see the light. We need these things more than ever.
– To produce software apps that supplement the books written this year and assist as tools to guide in helping others LIVE the virtues DAILY.
— to offer regular weekly scheduled face to face online meetings and training around the virtues, stoicism, the CDR and living Romanitas practically. Towards this goal to identify coaches that could assist in leading this training.
We need a new model. After watching things evolve for the past two years, I’m thinking this is the direction I want to move.
To do all this properly takes time. Time is our most valuable asset. All of this requires time from others beyond me. This means money. This means fair compensation for those who do work here. Who give their time, skills, and experience.
I would propose raising and using funds to properly compensate those who write books. Who are well respected coaches offering video training etc.
This would mean a different system of membership. But also a membership that would offer MORE VALUE in return.
Personally, since I started to practice the virtues daily, consciously. Since I started to delve more deeply into the CDR years ago. My life has unquestionably expanded for the better. I’m healthier. My family is stronger. I’ve been better prepared to weather the vicissitudes of working as a frontline physician during years of a pandemic. It had strengthened the resources I materially have available to have more freedom for creative, and legacy building endeavors to better my children and community. I would like nothing more than to further develop this system and to assist as many people as possible in living it and moving it beyond where it is today. For they can see the results of living in such a manner made manifest in their life and the lives of those they love.
The first step towards this would be shedding the superfluous and cumbersome “magisterial” system that is great at stagnating everything and not getting tasks done. Once the leadership and purpose is restabilized then hashing out a plan with three facets: (I) Curriculum design (II) Funding model (III) Promotion model
I understand I may be alone or in the minority around such a plan. Ultimately, for myself, I’m fairly convinced this is the path I should go down. So if the RR desires another course that’s right and good. But I shall be seeking the creation of such an organization and putting the brunt of my efforts behind such an aspiration.
January 26, 2022 at 8:29 pm #42363Brutus, I will comment on your next disappearance and appearance here, I will not even go into details of the fact that every time you disappear and suddenly appear, you have ideas one more radical than the other, and you are in a hurry and apply, which affects the interests of a bunch people, and not just you, but all these ideas and the project are never brought to the end and turn out to be unsuccessful. I’m not even going to prophesy the inevitable failure of this project of yours. I won’t do it because it takes time and we’re all tired of it. Instead, I’ll just ask one question.
– to shift the core focus on our most educated citizens towards producing actual content. Books, podcasts, etc that address LIVING the virtues / CDR today in a practical manner which addresses the needs of the present. We live in some of the most chaotic times in the last 60 years. It’s also going to get a lot darker on a global scale, I predict, before we see the light. We need these things more than ever.
– To produce software apps that supplement the books written this year and assist as tools to guide in helping others LIVE the virtues DAILY.
— to offer regular weekly scheduled face to face online meetings and training around the virtues, stoicism, the CDR and living Romanitas practically. Towards this goal to identify coaches that could assist in leading this training.
Why do you want to destroy a system that has a lot of adherents, if nothing, including the existing system, did not prevented you and your like-minded people from implementing everything that you listed 1, 2, 3, 6 years ago and does not prevent you from doing it now, and can interfere with the implementation of this in the future, within the existing system… Why are you going to ruin everything?
January 26, 2022 at 9:04 pm #42364Okay, Crassus. We’ve heard some ideas from Brutus, what are yours?
We’re currently wrapped up in so much bureaucratic red tape that we need radical ideas to get us out of it. Every single thing that someone has brought up, you’ve either shot down or taken jabs at their character. I get you’re angry but stomping your foot isn’t helping right now. We need people with actionable ideas that the citizens agree upon, not finger wagging and jabs.It’s clear we need to either change or reset some rules to make any kind of progress. Not dismantle the heart of the Republic and it’s cause, but it’s obvious we’re struggling against our own rules.
I’m interested to see what ideas you have to put forward to get us out of this, and I mean that genuinely. What are your ideas to get us past this deadlock?From my perspective, at least, you just seem like a shark snapping at anything that dare brush near it. It seems like no matter what others do, you’re here to complain. Brutus comes back after you taking shots at him for “hiding” and when he does come back with ideas, suddenly he’s trying to ruin everything? I don’t want to make that assumption about you, which is why I genuinely want to hear your side, your proposals and your ideas for moving the Republic forwards.
If there are wires crossed here, it’s best we get them sorted now. I don’t know how others see this display and I don’t want to put words in their mouth, but from where I’m standing and what I’ve seen over the past few days, it seems like you don’t want things to change other than every other magistrate quit. Again, not saying that’s what you’re trying to do, but that’s how it reads from this side.Right now, squabbles and hurt feelings need to be pushed aside (or at least handled privately) until we get the Republic back up and rolling.
Brutus has given his ideas, not concrete dictates.
What are some of yours? Is there anything you agree with? If not, why?Let’s PLEASE have a discussion not a shouting match.
January 26, 2022 at 10:23 pm #42365Salvete,
Thank you F. Aurelia for your response. I agree.
Again, I simply care about the principles I outlined above. I have watched other people run this organization largely independent of myself. I have seen the system not fulfill the objectives of this organization and become non-self sustaining.
The reality is that the RR could, in theory operate just fine without me. Other people have access to our website admin, to our accounts, to everything needed. But again, I’m being called upon. Which is fine. But tells me the system we made for insuring the sustainability of this organization is not present.
My proposal is intended to provide a way out of such stagnation and upon myself being needed to offer such solutions in the first place
Ultimately, the people here should have a voice in what happens. I agree. That’s why we are talking about all this here. At least that’s my intention.
January 27, 2022 at 10:29 am #42367Fausta Aurelia Valens, this topic is called “Brutus’ ideas about the present situation”. It’s not called “Brutus wants to hear your ideas”, it’s not even called “Crassus, tell us your ideas”. Brutus expressed his idea, in a topic about this very idea, in connection with which, I asked him a question. Did I say something that is not true? If so, please send me the link from my post above.
I have been in the Republic since its founding, my comment is dictated by the fact that I once again observe how Brutus suddenly appears after his disappearance and offers to change something dramatically, but in the end everything ends as always, good if nothing, and sometimes even worse . It’s tiring. But I understand your frustration regarding my words, nevertheless, you have been in the republic since 2020, and I have been since 2016, so you did not witness many events, but I did and I know that the past, not a very good past, is repeating itself again, right in this thread, right now, through the words of Brutus, because I have read something similar in the past. This is the reason for my words. You may not understand or know the background, but this does not make my words wrong.
However, I never heard a clear answer from Brutus to my question about why he wants to destroy the Republican system and what prevented him before or now from implementing the ideas he speaks of. So I`m still waiting.
Regarding your words that I do not offer anything. For suggestions, we have this thread here:
[IMPORTANT] Citizens' proposals and discussion of the current crisis
And here, as I said, the theme of the ideas of Brutus, not Crassus. I have not published my ideas yet, but unless someone set a time frame for expressing ideas, as far as I understand, I can express my thoughts until February 18th. But I am ready to respect your interest. I and other Sarmatians offer the following:
1) Listen to the opinion of fellow citizens, for this Severus created this topic:
2) To summarize them and submit them to the comitia сuriatа, for this Severus convened a meeting:
3) At a meeting of the comitia, decide on the prolongation of the powers of last year’s magistrates, with the exception of those junior magistrates who were elected last year. Take a set of measures to overcome the crisis.
4) A team of magistrates, and there will not be many of them left, taking into account the inactive ones, will be engaged in the implementation of a set of measures. In fact, this is a proto-team that, without politics, must implement the action plan in practice.
5) I and other Sarmatians propose the following as the main idea: the reform of the existing system in favor of greater conformity with history, the differentiation of members of Civitas depending on their interest in recreating Roman culture and benefit for the Republic, the exclusion of bureaucracy (yes, the Sarmatians have been talking about this for a long time, but for this we do not need to destroy the republican system), focus on families and those people who are ready to create living communities around them, public control over the actions and inaction of magistrates, the abolition of non-working mechanisms, emphasis on the possibility of self-organization and self-government of citizens, resuscitation of institutions Sacra Publica, etc. We would like to achieve this through the adoption of the Constitution, which Severus and other Sarmatians have already written about. This is one document, written in plain language, that will abolish almost all existing laws and regulations, creating a simple and understandable system for everyone. We do not propose to destroy the Republican system, because we understand that because of this, the departure of citizens will begin and the influx of citizens will significantly decrease, we propose to reform and improve the existing system. At the same time, what we offer does not at all prevent Brutus and the followers of his ideas from realizing what he proposes to the fullest. We do not propose to destroy, we do not propose to destroy what is interesting to a significant number of citizens, we propose to reform the system in such a way that everyone has the opportunity to realize what they are interested in Roman revivalism. We offer what unites, not what divides.
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