January 24, 2022 at 7:23 pm #42339
Titus Flavius SeverusDenarii: 𐆖 1,543.30PatriciusSarmatia
Severus Sen. sal.,
In view of the long-term crisis situation in the Republic, in connection with the blatant inaction, connivance and dismissal from the performance of duties on the part of all significant officials of the Republic, in order to save the Republic, for the greater good of Civitas, and in the interests of the Roman Religion, in view of the fact that the previously announced meeting of the comitia was not convened in due time, I, as the only present Lictor Curiatus Magister, decided to summon the Comitia Curiata.
Since I have always believed that the basis of the Republic is the community, that is, people united in Civitas, and not a bunch of irresponsible people who imagine themselves capable of making important decisions, I decided, in a crisis, that the mechanism for making fateful decisions should be changed.
I suggest that every conscious citizen who is not indifferent to the fate of the Republic, before February 18, speak here about the causes and consequences of the crisis, those responsible for this, ways to resolve the crisis, the prospects for overcoming the crisis and the future of the Republic.
Your opinion will be taken into account when making decisions in the Comitia Curiata.
This is the first time this has happened, this is a unique event when you can really speak out and your opinion will be taken into account, thanks to this everyone can influence the future of the Republic, express what disturbs and offer something for the common good.
Speak and you will be heard, for Rome is first of all a people, it is the civic duty of everyone to take part in the salvation of the Republic, and speaking out here is the first step towards this.January 24, 2022 at 9:03 pm #42340
Gaius Flavius AetiusDenarii: 𐆖 330.15PlebeiusSarmatia
Greetings and salutations, fellow lovers of romanitas.
This will be probably my parting message.
I didn’t say fellow citizens because we are not, not really. I feel and more than that – I see that this project is seen by most of it’s participants(Me not excluding) as hobby at best and evening pastime at worst.
There is a reason for that. We can argue about what really makes roman citizen, what makes true worshiper of roman Gods, but I am pretty sure that in the end it all comes to the community. And roman community can not be based on internet platform.
Roman community can only exist as an actual real life community, as a combination of families living in the same place, speaking latin, electing magistrates, worshiping gods both at home and at public temple. I might even go as far as to say that the backbone of such community should be a farmer, but that also might be a tad too much.
If several such communities existed – then yes, they could exchange information, ideas and even just practice the language that so very little people here actually speak(which is telling as latin is spoken by quite a few people this days even only in USA, yet here in RR maybe 5 can speak it more or less fluently) and eventually form more tightly-knit group of communities. But they do not. There isn’t even one actual land-owning latin-speaking community in the world. And if there is such community in the world – it is not a part of RR. Closest thing to such community would be one of eastern sarmatians to whom Titus Severus belongs, yet they are not latin-speakers and while they own some land – they don’t live there. And other members of RR are generally the only members of RR in their respective cities/towns.
Well, there is actually another example of small roman community that is close to what proper one should like, but still not enough. That is a family of Publius Iunius Brutus. Still, it’s only one family and as far as I know – they don’t speak latin too.
Anyway. What all this rambling means is – worship the Gods, learn latin and learn what proper roman citizen should be. Find people who can be interested in this in your own cities and towns, build a living, breathing community together. You won’t find it here, or in Nova Roma or whatever new shard of a shard of a shard project is all the rage right now.
January 25, 2022 at 12:16 am #42342
- This reply was modified 10 months, 1 week ago by Gaius Flavius Aetius.
This is simply my own opinion and observations, whether or not I’m not seeing the whole picture or it’s out of context, I don’t know.
I think we as a Republic have lost our sense of direction. Everything kind of devolved into struggles for positions and petty squabbles and I think that’s turned a lot of people away. A lot of finger pointing and angry jabs, rather than coming together and having a discussion beforehand.
In a way (and again, at least to me) it feels like we’ve lost focus on why the Res Publica Romana was made. The sense of community, comradery and religion that brought me here has almost been lost to high school level bickering.
I’m not sure exactly how to fix this, these are the opinions of someone wholly unqualified, but I think some members of the leadership need a reshuffle. Whether that’s moving them to a more applicable office or just outright replacing them, something needs to be done.
We need leaders who run events, talk to the people and engage in projects to bring us closer together.
Now, It might be that before replacing/reshuffling people, there’s a meeting between the leadership to discuss where the RR is going, with clear and achievable goals (complete with timescales and people in charge) to get everyone on the same page moving forwards.January 25, 2022 at 1:09 am #42343
Aulus Iulius CaesarDenarii: 𐆖 3,101.20EquesterMissuria
I see no hope for this Republic. Endless name calling, finger pointing, and a general sense of disunity has caused irreparable damage to this Republic. I simply see no way for there to be a long term solution with the general attitude of many members.January 25, 2022 at 11:19 am #42344
Severus, you amaze me. Do you want to fit in again? Why waste time on all this? No matter how much money you invest, no matter how hard you try not to do it, no one will appreciate it, and later some Brutus with his lobby or Varro will come and destroy everything, simply because they want to. Severus, have you forgotten how they destroyed the Mithraist college, the college of reenactors. Here the leadership does nothing itself and does not allow anything to be done by others. How many more years do you need to understand this?
Severus, you ask what’s the problem? Yes, in the fact that this whole project, as it was an empty talking shop, so it remained an empty talking shop. Remove the achievements of the Sarmatians, and what will remain in the Republic? Only Internet activity, and fruitless, no results in the real world. All because there are not enough people here who would be serious about the project itself, about the Roman religion and other things, all their seriousness is only in words. Well, what can you take from people who have not arranged a single live meeting in 6 years ??? Just think about it, not a single live meeting in six years!!! This is the proof that this is just an internet project, none of them seriously even thinks about transferring it to real life. While I don’t blame some, how can one invest time and resources in such a project, where everything can destroy the frivolous decision of Brutus and his lobby, where no one cares about violations – this project is unstable, unreliable and does not cause a desire to invest in it anything more than empty the words.
And the followers of the Roman religion? At the beginning of the year, the consul did not report to the senate about the signs. And you know what? Nobody cares. And these people call themselves followers of the Roman Religion? One empty talk showing how frivolous they are about religion.
The Sarmatians began to build a sacred object, so the college of pontiffs, which exists only on paper and did absolutely nothing, even managed to fill up this project. Although they were simply required to make a formal decision, the Sarmatians paid for everything themselves, spent resources, time … and the college of pontiffs ruined everything.
The Republic is just a cemetery of ideas and projects – a waste of time and effort. What project has actually been completed in six years and has shown significant positive results in the long term over 6 years? None, zero, empty.
Who is to blame? The one who concentrated decisive power in his hands, but at the same time did not use it correctly – Brutus and his lobby, these are those who have a majority in key bodies – the senate and the curate comitia. They changed the tribe system, raised taxes – why, how did it help? The funny thing is, this is the last session of the Senate, instead of real and important decisions, only senseless and unnecessary decisions, did anyone need them in these months, did they prevent the crisis? This is a joke, not a solution.
What to do? I suggest the Sarmatians do nothing. Let Brutus and his lobby unwind the mess they made. Let the agony last a couple more years, the Sarmatians will simply watch, realizing that they are right. When the republic perishes due to the mistakes, negligence and lawlessness created by the Brutus team, Sarmatia will continue to prosper and develop, because we do everything right, and our community prospers, but we were not listened to, we were neglected, and in the end we were simply thrown to the sidelines . This will be a good lesson for them and everyone else. And at the death of the republic, let them take their treasury, from which for 6 years they have not spent a penny on a single project.
The market project is generally the personification of the inferiority and failure of this project. Twice they dragged this project through, both times the Sarmatians indicated that the project would not work because key factors were not taken into account. Nobody listened to us, and from both attempts, the market project did not work. Who was right? Sarmatians! But did Brutus and his lobby recognize this? No. I’m not even talking about the denarii project, which Brutus defended, and as a result, the denarii, as they were bullshit, remained so. Didn’t the Sarmatians talk about it? They spoke! Someone listened to the Sarmatians? Not! So let Brutus and his team stay with their crappy denarii, they deserve it.
I’m sorry for the time spent here, the money invested. The Republic can only survive if the system is completely restructured and focused on activities in the real world, on the creation and work with local communities, serious work and responsibility of citizens, a thorough reconstruction of history, without the harmful influence of the modern agenda and convenient simplifications. But while Brutus controls everything through his lobby, from the website to key bodies such as the senate and the comitia curiatа, this is not possible. Just look at the comitia curiata: Brutus dragged and keeps his wife there, Curio and Aurelius – all three are absent at this moment of crisis, like Brutus himself. They appear only when Brutus needs to push through this or that decision, this is the lobby of Brutus in the comitia curiatа. At the same time, the comitia curiatа is omnipotent, it has unlimited powers to expel anyone, its decisions are more powerful than the decisions of the people’s comitia. This is a super organ that is actually controlled by one person – Brutus. Didn’t the Sarmatians talk about it? They spoke. Nobody listened to us. Now the crisis has struck, and where is this pocket lobby of Brutus, where are these people? While Brutus is shoving inactive people into all the main organs, for the sake of creating a lobby and maintaining shadow control over the republic, nothing will change, because he can do what he wants, destroy any projects, destroy all undertakings, this has already happened in the past, so no one wants to be a victim of Brutus’s autocracy again. At the same time, I am not against Brutus himself in the authorities, but I am against the control of key organs by one person through a pocket lobby of inactive people.
This is comical, because Brutus, through his lobby, controls the all-powerful comitia curiatа, from whose leadership Brutus threw out the Sarmatians in the past, but now Brutus has disappeared again, along with his lobby, and again it is the representative of Sarmatia who is trying to somehow correct the situation and figure it out – Severus.January 25, 2022 at 1:34 pm #42345
It’s so sad to read through these messages and the ones on and I know I’ll either be ignored or attacked for this but I’ve paid my dues and all Romans should have a voice.
A good chunk of this communities leadership has fallen to power grabs and protecting their own egos over the citizens they claim to work for. No wonder so many have gone MIA if this is the level of current politics on the Republic, toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram while screaming insults at everyone around them.
I get egos have been bruised with decisions and there have been actions that haven’t been popular and some that have insulted others. But devolving into petty slap fights isn’t the answer.
This needs to be sorted out diplomatically, both sides need to be heard and, obviously, compromises need to be made on both sides. Pointing fingers and crying about how much you’ve been hurt isn’t helping this. You’re all letting emotions cloud your reasoning. Mistakes have been made across the whole of the RR and people need to stand up and take responsibility instead of throwing it around like a hot potato.
This stalemate will kill this Republic unless people can swallow their pride and start thinking up what’s best for the entire community. Yes, it’s hard to do and I get some egos are incredibly fragile but bickering about personal hurts that should be stored out privately on a public forum is ridiculous.
At the minute you’d all vote against a proposition you agree with because of who made it. To me it seems like most of you have forgotten why this Republic was founded in the first place. Most of the leadership needs to do better.
I get I’m just a citizen with no office titles held or any major knowledge of how things work behind the scenes, but from what I’ve seen it’s just shameful.
Now, I’m not going to name and shame people, because that’s not productive and only further encourages lash outs or people to bury their heads in the sand.
I’m not picking one side over the other here, again, both sides have their own telling and there’s a lot we’re not privy to as plebians. However, an effort needs to be made where the divides come together and patch things up. If decisions were made that others didn’t like, then try to find a middle ground where both parties are willing to accommodate. If flagrant rule breaking has happened, then a discussion has to be had to clear up why the rules were broken and be willing to hear testimony from both sides and maybe even see the possibility of second chances.
Are things like reconciliation an option? If not, why not? And if not, why still bicker about it if nothing can be changed?
This has descended into a tavern brawl, everyone is keen to throw punches but have no regard for who their hitting, for what reason or even why this fight broke out in the first place.
It will take a long time, yes. But not longer than prolonging this charade of petty squabbles.January 25, 2022 at 2:08 pm #42346
Aulus Iulius CaesarDenarii: 𐆖 3,101.20EquesterMissuria
I would like to be the first of the major magistrate to come forward and publicly accept responsibility for not being active last year. While I was open with the personal reason that kept me from being active a few months into my term, I will not let that be an excuse for my absence. I apologize to everyone for how my extremely subpar Consulship went. I truly wanted to make my term one of the best the Republic had seen, this was obviously far from what happened. Though I would like to greatly reiterate, that will all the Sarmatians claims to be the backbone and life of the Republic, Celsus as my Co-Consul not once over the entire year was active. Not a single time from January 1st, 2021 to January 1st, 2022. What this Republic needs are active magistrate that don’t constantly abandon each other to the duties that two people should be doing. I was inactive for large portions of the year but I was never unreachable and I never will be. If anyone needs to reach out they’re welcome to do so.January 25, 2022 at 5:15 pm #42347
Sextus Sergius AbascantusDenarii: 𐆖 141.85PlebeiusSarmatia
Dear fellow citizens!
I was glad to join the Roman Republic for a little over a year. All my life I have been interested in the subject of Rome and wandering on the Internet, I accidentally came across a community of people who want to build a real Roman political system that will work in any corner of the world with the help of the world Wide web. What is the result? Suddenly I found myself in a community of people where nothing is happening, or rather, there is something, but this direction of communication is clearly going nowhere. I would not like to turn this post into some personal grievances of my own, but everything is personal in Rome, it is common.
I agree with Gaius Flavius Aetius’ post that it is difficult to build a society like Rome via the Internet, since many cannot see each other and communicate IRL. But! No one forbids us to communicate and try to create it. Otherwise, why is it all a starter? It’s easier to take up your favorite hobby right away.
I also understand the regrets of Quintus Vergilius Crassus because in part I followed projects that failed due to the simple bureaucratic impotence of members of our government. The best way to help, as they say, is not to interfere.
If you take me personally, I have done nothing for the development of our republic. But even from the very beginning of my introduction, I raised a question about the name change, which (!) is still dragging on, since I have not received a final answer so far from our respected censors.
Understand, our business is needed only by us and no one else. Government reshuffle? “Fines” and punishments for guilty magistrates? It doesn’t matter what will help our community live! I would not want to abandon you and Roman Republic, I would like to live knowing that on other continents and in other cities, there are people who are interested in what I and I will always be able to know that our Rome is alive and thriving as it was more than 2000 years ago!January 25, 2022 at 9:04 pm #42352
Decimus Claudius AquilinusDenarii: 𐆖 6.35PlebeiusGermania Superior
The main issue with RR in my view is that there are no real world events and no projects to get behind. Without that, how could a real community be built? Due to the few active members spread across the world, it seems unlikely to change. I live in one of the largest cities in Germania and never met anyone knowingly from any Roman organization in this country – except for reeanctors who have developed their own in person communities. Another main issue is that control of the corporation and magistracy are in the hands of a few people, who if not motivated to do their duties, cause everything to grind to a halt. Obviously one doesn’t need an organization to feel Roman, and that comes from someone who has been a member of Roman organizations for 17 years and who has visited over 700 Roman ruins and museum collections, but it would be nice to have a feeling of community. I just dont think its realistic now. There would need to be many more active members in various places of the world, create events, meaningful projects, a sense of purpose…then people would actually care about performing their elected roles and not just collect virtual titles. I just don’t see it now.January 25, 2022 at 9:59 pm #42353
Quintus Porcius ScipioDenarii: 𐆖 0.55PlebeiusPannonia
I would like to offer a solution for the suffering of those who are in pain by the the constant crisis and dysfunction of Roman Republic. I really just want to help, and I have absolutely no advantage from making this proposal. I also stress that it is my own idea alone, and I speak only in my own name. I am just perplexed to see how many of you don’t feel comfortable how Roman Republic is built to work. I don’t suffer, because I have my membership in a functioning Roman organization so Roman Republic for me is just about the occasional interesting topics about Rome. Find your peace and feel better by joining a functioning Roman community, and keep this forum for what it is good in.
Some words about myself in full disclosure. I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since 2008 where my name is Porcius Gemma. I joined Roman Republic when it was founded because I feared Nova Roma would perish after the corporate coup committed by two members Caesar and Sulla. However, Nova Roma did not only survive but it flourishes now more than ever. I consider myself very lucky and happy for I kept my membership also in Nova Roma. I have read here libelous and totally false accusations about Nova Roma. Some obviously have an axe to grind here. Others probably misunderstood things or were offended unintentionally by one or two incompetent officer at Nova Roma. There are always some in every organization. But all serious accusations which I read in this forum about Nova Roma in the last 6 years were based on things that were done by Caesar and Sulla, who are no longer in Nova Roma. All those things are far away in the past!
There is a new senate, a new management which is friendly, and is beloved by the members. Real events take place in every continent on monthly basis. Rituals and sacrifices are offered on behalf of Nova Roma members daily. The senate holds sessions frequently, elections are always done in time and with many candidates. Projects about building Roman temples, fortresses and houses are under work in two continents. Citizens of Nova Roma can choose between about a dozen of affiliated legions and gladiator groups to join or to support. Weekly video programs are broadcast on the Nova Roma Twitch Channel about learning Latin, playing Roman games, Roman army or philosophy. Nova Roma book clubs discuss the works of Cicero in video conferences. Nova Roma holds international conventions, even in Rome, Italy, for example to celebrate the 20th birthday of Nova Roma recently. Nova Roma is conducting a serious priest training since last year. Nova Roma has educational contents monthly with real prizes like ancient Roman coins or great books about Roman topics. Nova Roma really lives, to put it simply.
And it is already there, a working Roman republic for you! You don’t have to make any grand effort to have it! You just simply have to join it. Why to duplicate it when it already exists? Why to reinvent the wheel?
All of you are welcome to join Nova Roma and all of your problems with this Canadian “Roman Republic” Cultural Group disappears immediately, just fill the membership form here:
Please don’t take my suggestion the wrong way! I like Roman Republic, this alternative group where I belong, I like you all! There is no problem with everyone having their own Roman organization! Roman Republic is not a bad group. I am part of it, and I wish us here well. But I see many of you suffer because Roman Republic is not what you expect from it. I think your place is in Nova Roma, because it is obvious that it is the type of thing what you are wishing for. If you suffer from what is missing from Roman Republic, because you want a working, functioning, living and breathing Roman republic, join Nova Roma. If you just want a nice forum and some good friends to talk with about Roman things, stay in Roman Republic. Each group has its own strengths.
These were my two cents… I just wanted to alleviate your problems. I have no vested interest in this, and I am equally happy if you stay or if you join Nova Roma, as well. (Dual membership is allowed in Nova Roma, you don’t have to worry about that.)
January 25, 2022 at 11:25 pm #42355
- This reply was modified 10 months, 1 week ago by Quintus Porcius Scipio.
There are quite a lot of people with Nova Roma citizenship in our Republic, so we know for sure that everything is not quite so rosy and carefree there, as you describe.
I would even say that Nova Roma suffers from the same problems as the Roman Republic, but specific ones are added to them, for example, Nova Roma has not yet overcome the crisis with the seizure of power to the end, has not regained control of the legal entity, has not came to the final decision of legal problems.
We have an incomplete session of the comitia, begun by Varro, and in Nova Roma, for probably half a year, they could not close the session of the Senate. Or, for example, their consul Draco, who disappeared for a year without explanation, just like our Brutus in his time. Everywhere is the same.
In addition, there are unfriendly people, magistrates violating the rights of citizens, treachery and insults. For example, Hortensia, who who publicly slanders her fellow citizens insults, for which she was put on pre-moderation, although she herself was a praetor.
I will even say more that in Nova Roma, if someone posted a message with a link to the Roman Republic and an offer to obtain citizenship of Nova Roma, then such a person would be severely punished. I myself saw how people suffered from the authorities of Nova Roma for mentioning the Roman Republic. In this regard, our Republic is better than Nova Roma, because we are open to people and do not discriminate against them on the basis of belonging to another Roman organization.
So, unfortunately, I do not share your optimistic judgment about Nova Roma, it is an organization that has enough problems, like in the Roman Republic. Only the problems of the Republic we solve publicly.
But the above proposal has the right to exist, I think that it will be considered. However, productive communication with Nova Roma is hindered by the fact that the Republic has an agreement with Nova Roma, which Nova Roma, in the person of its magistrates, violated with its actions. I think that our leadership is open to dialogue, but how can we trust them if they have already violated written agreements?January 26, 2022 at 3:33 pm #42359
Gaius Florius LupusDenarii: 𐆖 252.90PatriciusNo Province
Florius Lupus omnibus salutes plurimas dicit.
The problem of this republic is that it was just a copy of Nova Roma and it copied all the mistakes of Nova Roma too.
If this republic is to serve any purpose, then we have to make things different from Nova Roma:
- Focus on the Religio Romana only.
- Dissolve the useless corporation.
- No more politics, no more magistrates, consuls, senators etc. Instead we should build a religious system of pontifices and sacerdotes.
- No collection of taxes. Local communities in the real world should instead invest money in building temples, as the TEMPLVM.ORG project did.
- More focus on Latin, as Flavius Aetius suggested. At least the religious ceremonies should be done in Latin, not English. The Catholic Church did it until Vatican II, so why can’t we? You don’t need to speak Latin fluently, you should just be able to repeat the few religious formulae. This can’t be so difficult.
As a religious institution and the first of its kind in the Internet, the Roman Republic would have a justification (Maybe the name would need to be changed.), as a cheap copy of Nova Roma it has not.
Optime valete!January 26, 2022 at 4:43 pm #42360
Numerius Romilius VenustusDenarii: 𐆖 58.25PlebeiusCalifornia Ulterior
Salve Omnia, Salve Gaius Florius Lupus,
I too was going to suggest such things. But here we are, with your well spoken suggestions already echoing in the halls.
- Yes, we should focus on Religio. This will help bind things together, focus up our efforts, and I think gets to the real meat of why many are actually here.
- Later, after the Religio is firmly established, flesh and blood groups can start their own 501.3c non-profits, and then, in due time, maybe the consolidate into a larger body. But trying to establish and umbrella organization top to bottom will end in failure I think. Better to do it the old Roman way, and let those with time and money and will establish their own and their own communities peace with the gods.
- This point doesn’t need further comment I think.
- I also agree with this point, see my comment above for elaboration.
- I’ve written all my service in Latin I wrote. Is it correct Latin? Highly likely not. Is it still better than English? Absolutely.
That’s it! We know what needs to be done, we know how to do it. All that is left is for things to be done. Shall we not just then do the things?
ValeteJanuary 26, 2022 at 5:29 pm #42361
As much as I adore the idea of having an all Latin service, can we at least get a side translation in English(or other languages) even if it’s just in brackets in the side or a subtitle? I’m thinking of citizens who may have dyslexia, ADHD or just want to understand what is being said. We don’t want to alienate anyone who may have a learning difficulty from the service.
Also, is there going to be Latin classes? I’d love to learn and I, for one, am a bit worried about making mistakes in front of people who know it so well. I struggle with things like Duolingo to learn.January 27, 2022 at 11:01 am #42368
Sextus Sergius AbascantusDenarii: 𐆖 141.85PlebeiusSarmatia
Is it really time to divide the Republic into two interest groups?
Someone is interested in political life, getting positions, working with people and helping with their questions. And is anyone interested in the philosophy of the Stoics and the development of Roman culture further?
I can’t understand why one organization can’t be both? Everyone will have their own share of responsibility, everyone does what they want. Aren’t these the signs of a healthy society? I don’t see any point in throwing stones, throwing Jupiter’s lightning bolts and sprinkling ashes on my head.
If the situation is at a crossroads, we are not forced to choose one road, there are always more than one. Why shouldn’t everyone do what they want and not interfere with others doing their job? Maybe I want to help people and write treatises? Cicero was not hindered by anyone from making politics and writing excellent essays.
I may be naive, but at the same time, free communication is free ideas.January 27, 2022 at 6:18 pm #42369
Marcus Flavius CelsusDenarii: 𐆖 594.15PatriciusSarmatia
My dear friends, the Romans. All of us are here for the sole reason, whatever it’s called – we love ancient Rome, and we feel a deep fascination with its religion, culture, architecture, political system or something else.
I have been with this organization since its inception. I’ve watched the ups and downs. But I’m frankly tired of being one of those who throw stones – now I’m ready to just take the blows.
As consul last year, I failed miserably. I have reasonsб that I can and have voiced – but it does not matter. I failed. If necessary, I am ready to accept punishment for it.
At a certain moment, when I no longer knew how to cope with the accumulated obligations, I stepped back – making room for those who are ready to move our common cause, a cause in which a lot of efforts of many people have been invested – further.
And now, after half a year, I am here again, on a call for help. Because I don’t care. I still feel responsible and guilty towards all of you.
I can pour evidence and accusations, I can dig into correspondence to prove that I’m right – but I don’t want to do it. I am frankly tired of misunderstandings, ruined projects, new ideas that destroy old foundations for no apparent benefit. But I still return, as we are returning to our homeland, even if he no longer wants to see us.
I firmly believe that the Republican system should exist. Those who do not want to participate in it have every right to create on this foundation what we have been building for years – our own temple, or cult. I will support such people. But I will still stand up for the ideals of our Republic to the end.
There is no “better” or “worse” here – people want a cult, let them have a cult. People want a micronation – let them have a micronation. This is what democracy is.January 28, 2022 at 9:56 am #42370
In the next topic, I wrote the proposals that I and my compatriots propose. These proposals were discussed and worked out by us, I hope they will find support among the citizens of the republic. The introduction of the constitution completely reforms the existing system, while this does not prevent Brutus from implementing his ideas, fully in line with the aspirations of the people and the republic, meets the interests of all groups in the republic, this is very important, because, unlike the ideas of Brutus, the introduction of the constitution will not cause a massive outflow citizens from the republic.
We offer the following:
1) Listen to the opinion of fellow citizens, for this Severus created this topic:
2) To summarize them and submit them to the comitia сuriatа, for this Severus convened a meeting:
3) At a meeting of the comitia, decide on the prolongation of the powers of last year’s magistrates, with the exception of those junior magistrates who were elected last year. Take a set of measures to overcome the crisis.
4) A team of magistrates, and there will not be many of them left, taking into account the inactive ones, will be engaged in the implementation of a set of measures. In fact, this is a proto-team that, without politics, must implement the action plan in practice.
5) I and other Sarmatians propose the following as the main idea: the reform of the existing system in favor of greater conformity with history, the differentiation of members of Civitas depending on their interest in recreating Roman culture and benefit for the Republic, the exclusion of bureaucracy (yes, the Sarmatians have been talking about this for a long time, but for this we do not need to destroy the republican system), focus on families and those people who are ready to create living communities around them, public control over the actions and inaction of magistrates, the abolition of non-working mechanisms, emphasis on the possibility of self-organization and self-government of citizens, resuscitation of institutions Sacra Publica, etc. We would like to achieve this through the adoption of the Constitution, which Severus and other Sarmatians have already written about. This is one document, written in plain language, that will abolish almost all existing laws and regulations, creating a simple and understandable system for everyone. We do not propose to destroy the Republican system, because we understand that because of this, the departure of citizens will begin and the influx of citizens will significantly decrease, we propose to reform and improve the existing system. At the same time, what we offer does not at all prevent Brutus and the followers of his ideas from realizing what he proposes to the fullest. We do not propose to destroy, we do not propose to destroy what is interesting to a significant number of citizens, we propose to reform the system in such a way that everyone has the opportunity to realize what they are interested in Roman revivalism. We offer what unites, not what divides.January 29, 2022 at 4:20 pm #42373
Publius Iunius BrutusDenarii: 𐆖 1,539.18PatriciusPacifica
THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSAL OF P. IUNIUS BRUTUS
OBJECTIVES OF PROPOSAL:
- Create self-sustaining administration of the RR year to year with minimal variability over job performance.
- To increase efficiency and decrease time spent in administrative tasks in favour of more focus on the following:
- Living Romanitas practically today
- The virtues
- The CDR
- Living Roman philosophy practically in the present
- As espoused and lived by Panaetius (teacher to Scipio), Publius Rutilius Rufus, Posidonius (teacher to Pompey), Cicero, Cato the Younger, Paconius Agrippinus, Seneca, Lucius Annaeus Cornutus, Helvidius Priscus, Musonius Rufus, Epictetus, Iunius Ruasticus, Emperors Marcus Aurelius and Jullian.
- Towards the aims stated above, to refocus the RR as an educational-community driven organization.
NEXT IMMEDIATE STEPS:
- Pass new bylaws by the CC (board of directors) which create a single administrative body which is to tend to the administration of the assets of the RR and provides strategic direction as they relate to these assets.
- To begin the development of a new funding model of the RR which will allow independent contractors to be hired by the RR. These independent contractors are to:
- Write a comprehensive books series that addresses the goals of the organization
- Create apps that facilitate coaching around implementing and maintaining a life focused on Romanitas in a practical manner that improves the life and opportunities of the member
- To develop a core group of coaches to assist members in implementing a lifestyle based on Romanitas. Which will lead 1-hour coaching sessions on a weekly basis by live video conference.
- Update the RR website towards the new model
Launch the new model with books, apps, etc. in its entirely before the end of the third quarter of 2022.January 30, 2022 at 3:13 am #42374
Numerius Romilius VenustusDenarii: 𐆖 58.25PlebeiusCalifornia Ulterior
As much as I adore the idea of having an all Latin service, can we at least get a side translation in English(or other languages) even if it’s just in brackets in the side or a subtitle? I’m thinking of citizens who may have dyslexia, ADHD or just want to understand what is being said. We don’t want to alienate anyone who may have a learning difficulty from the service. Also, is there going to be Latin classes? I’d love to learn and I, for one, am a bit worried about making mistakes in front of people who know it so well. I struggle with things like Duolingo to learn.
Yes, I understand your concerns. Latin isn’t easy. Fortunately, it can be made easier in the matter of service in Latin. The vocative case is used in poetry, and I think it appropriate to just write all service in the vocative case. Using the vocative case will make learning grammar a little easier for native English speakers, who all grew up with only vestigial and mostly identical grammatical cases. But yes, basic Latin language for services could and should be materials we offer.February 1, 2022 at 12:35 pm #42375
Marcus Tullius FlorusDenarii: 𐆖 78.45PlebeiusSarmatia
I am simply engaged in the reconstruction of the Roman spiritual and material culture, in this sense I am a reenactor. I have little interest in this site and online activity, everything that I and my friends do we do in real life. However, at the live meeting of our group, I was present during the discussion of what was happening in the organization.
I came to this organization because I thought it would help me and my friends to recreate the Roman culture, having magistrates, augurs and other things in our province makes it possible to follow orthopraxy. In addition, this organization did not give anything significant or material, but in return I gave money to my people. It is unfortunate that when we wanted to build a religious building, the inaction of the online activists of this organization did not allow us to create a really important cause, then the Internet figures put an end to work in the real world. In addition, there was a declaration of the organization, and I share its content, when something bad happened to the organization, I was sure that it would not deviate from the right path, because there is a declaration.
I’m writing all this because I’m not sure of anything now.
What Senator Brutus proposes goes against the declaration. The declaration contains goals, there are many of them, but Senator Brutus proposes to focus on just a few, the rest are left without attention. Some of the proposals of Senator Brutus do not correspond to the declaration, they contradict the slogans of the declaration on the restoration of Roman culture and religion as they existed in history, on the formation of the Roman nation, the development of historical reconstruction. This is to say in short. But that’s enough, at least for me.
I understand that Senator Brutus’s proposal is only a proposal, however, I know that Senator Brutus has an absolute majority on the board of directors, that is, any decision of his will certainly be approved and this will change the organization, because the ideas of Senator Brutus cut off a significant number of people from the community. That is why I worry and advise everyone else to worry.
I came to a republic that had a declaration. Senator Brutus doesn’t even talk about the declaration, and wants to abolish the republic. This is not something I can agree with. Because this is a non-alternative solution, it does not take into account the interests of other groups of members of the organization. Senator Brutus’ plan simply puts an end to the interests of other people, without even trying to find a compromise. It is not right.
Senator Brutus spoke a lot about colleges, and I cannot understand why the republic should be abolished if the same work can be organized within the framework of his own brainchild – the system of colleges.
Any management model depends on the people who make it up. The republican model in the republic works poorly, not because the model is bad, but because the people who make it up do not correspond to the positions they occupy.
Well, in conclusion. The reconstruction that I do is work in the real world, the Internet is needed only for communication and work with sources. For me personally, it is obvious that the contours of the new organization that Brut proposes is a purely Internet project that is not focused on something real. Organizations are not needed to practice the Roman virtues and so on, just as a Christian does not need a church to implement the 10 commandments. You can declare different things, in fact, this is just an Internet project without an emphasis on real activities. I, like a huge number of people here, do not speak English, I write this text through a translator, and I don’t even know if it is translated correctly. Why do people like me need an Internet project where everything will be in English? And we get plans like Brutus’s, because they are not focused on everyone, but simply on a narrow circle, although nothing prevents a compromise solution from being worked out.
I suggest the following:
– Through the adoption of the Constitution proposed by Senator Severus, the reform of the organization, leaving the republican model.
– to recommend to Senator Brutus to implement his plan through the system of colleges.
However, I am a realist, given that Senator Brutus has considerable control over the organization and could enact his plan without taking into account the opinions of other people, which would be contrary to the interests of a significant number of citizens. Personally, I no longer have confidence in those persons who have concentrated all power in the organization and because of which, at any moment I can lose what was interesting to me in this organization.
This circumstance forces us to look for security guarantees, an alternative where citizens could realize their interests. I see two variants of Byzantium Novum and Nova Roma. The first organization is super friendly and very comfortable, however, unfortunately, it is focused on a later period, so it is not suitable as an alternative to Republican Rome. Second Nova Roma. Nova Roma is an extremely controversial organization, somewhat slow, especially when it comes to negotiations, as far as I know, we negotiated with them for a year, as a result they didn’t even do anything on their part, nevertheless, in terms of orientation, this is acceptable . I think that if Nova Roma offers conditions better than what is here, then this is an occasion to turn a blind eye to controversial issues and unpleasant moments from the past, in return they will receive an organized transition of dozens of citizens, at least one fully functioning province and the laurels of the winner of the split, because that this Roman republic will leave with us and join Nova Roma, and all the rest will simply remain in the organization of Senator Brutus, but it will no longer be a republic. If Nova Roma doesn’t offer anything worthy, it doesn’t matter either, then you can start either your own independent project, since there are more than enough people, or you can concentrate on working with Byzantium Novum. In any case, we should start with Nova Roma, so given the lack of guarantees and the possibility of unfriendly actions by Senator Brutus, I will also propose the following:
– Consider negotiating with Nova Roma regarding the possibility of joining our civitas to their civitas.
– Determine the number of people who agree to an organized transition.
– Use senators Crassus, Severus or Celsus as negotiators for the civitas of this republic, as they are the leaders of the largest organized group.
– Develop a list of transition conditions from our civil community.
I think that in view of the reasons described above, the plan of Senator Brutus, taking into account his power, led the situation to a dead end. In these circumstances, the real civitas of the republic, consisting of serious citizens, is ready for negotiations with representatives of other organizations. So, I express a common opinion, if I say that above there are names of people to whom such organizations can turn on this matter.February 1, 2022 at 1:25 pm #42376
Aula Flavia PhilippaDenarii: 𐆖 337.75PlebeiusSarmatia
I agree with Florus, The Severus Constitution makes it possible for all existing groups to coexist within one republic. This is Reform, not destruction. This is an approximation to history, simplification and facilitation of work. Brutus’ plan is to abolish the republic. It is the republic that I and many others need, we came to this republic. We do not need some organization with a completely different meaning, different goals.
I am optimistic, I will not point out who is right and who is wrong, everyone here has their own truth, but I would like to propose the Severus constitution as a way out of the situation. Brutus plan simply sows discord, because it takes into account the interests of only a small group of people who can already do everything proposed.
The republican system works, look at Nova Roma, everything is not so smooth there either, and the system does not work without problems, but it works there, so the problem is not in the system, it means the problem is really in the people. Let’s work on ourselves first and rebuild Rome together. The Constitution suits this.
The past shows that each of us is guilty, every citizen, the only question is the degree of this guilt, someone has it more, someone less. It is necessary to understand that it is wrong to blame the Republican system for the crisis, because it is the same as removing responsibility for failure and shifting it to an abstract system. Changing the system won’t help unless people change. The republican system is not to blame for the crisis, we are to blame for not being able to use it properly.
Again, I agree with Florus. It seems to me that not everyone understands the position in which a huge number of citizens are put by what Brutus proposes. Again, if it were proposed by an ordinary citizen, it would not scare me, but when it offers a person with such huge administrative powers and resources, it really scares me. Here, many began to lose a sense of reliability and confidence.
And again I agree with Florus, this is not some private group of Brutus, who is free to decide the common future himself, but we should all just take it for granted. No, we are citizens, we have civitas, and this is common – a republic. There is civitas here – this is a collection of those people who interact, go towards common goals, respect Roman culture, including religion, recreate history based on sources and historical accuracy. There are such people here and there are quite a lot of them, and unlike other passive citizens who are ready to support any initiative without even thinking about the consequences, civitas is ready to organize itself. After all, if the republic falls, there will be no civitas. Under these conditions, civitas has the right to respond, has the right to defend itself.
When there is a threat of the abolition of the republic, and as a consequence of civitas, I do not see the point of fighting within an organization that is under the total control of the initiator of all this. If there are no prospects inside the organization, then they are outside. We are forced to choose one of two: our own organization, or an existing one.
I am not against Nova Roma, although this is not the best option, because it has its significant drawbacks, however, if the conditions are good, then why not? If Nova Roma does not want or cannot offer something satisfactory, then we have our own way or Byzantium Novum, in any case, we have good prospects, because we are civitas, that living community that forms the republic. The Roman Republic lives in us, we are its bearers.February 2, 2022 at 10:28 am #42377
Tiberius Flavius NervaDenarii: 𐆖 81.25PlebeiusSarmatia
Good afternoon, my name is Tiberius Flavius Nerva. I am in charge of production and trade in Sarmatia.
Me and the people in my group are fed up with what has been going on in the organization since 2018. It hinders trade. For all the time, this organization has not created a market platform. Two attempts were deliberately failed, decisions on them were made with complete disregard for the opinion of the Sarmatians. I see no point in organizing where not only they cannot create normal conditions for trade, but also interfere, as in the case of the construction of a Roman temple in Sarmatia.
Sarmatia is part of the republic, but the relationship between them should be mutually beneficial, this is the basis of cooperation and partnership. But all these years, the relationship is one-sided, since the republic only takes and expects something from Sarmatia, while the republic itself does not give or offer anything in return.
Now they want to abolish the republic altogether. This is absurd, because without a republican system there is no public roman religion /I do not need any organization at all to practice private religion, just a desire/. The abolition of the republic will lead to a loss of interest in the organization among people, and others will simply leave the project. If even such negative prospects do not stop people like Iunius Brutus, then I do not know how they can be leaders of the organization, and why they should endure it any longer.
I suggest –
1. Save the Republic and the Roman community – civitas
2. Adopt the constitution of Flavius Severus to make the republic simpler, clearer and more historical.
If Iunius Brutus and his party do not stop with their plan, then I see the possibility of negotiations with Nova Roma. Sarmatia and people rallied around are the only real community of citizens in the republic. If Nova Roma offers good conditions, including for the development of trade, then I see no obstacles to the transition, they will receive many new citizens and a republic. If Nova Roma again drags out negotiations, makes them empty or unprofitable, then we will turn to someone else, or we will create our own project. I see no reason to waste years on the next crazy ideas of people who, sitting on the other side of the world, tell us what and how to do, while in the real world they themselves have not even gathered a dozen people around them.
I know one thing for sure, these constant squabbles, conflicts, and the unreliability of the organization, I’m not going to endure anymore.February 2, 2022 at 8:57 pm #42378
Tiberius Terentius VarroDenarii: 𐆖 1,403.32PlebeiusGallia Mississippia
Good afternoon, my name is Tiberius Flavius Nerva. I am in charge of production and trade in Sarmatia. Me and the people in my group are fed up with what has been going on in the organization since 2018. It hinders trade. For all the time, this organization has not created a market platform. Two attempts were deliberately failed, decisions on them were made with complete disregard for the opinion of the Sarmatians. I see no point in organizing where not only they cannot create normal conditions for trade, but also interfere, as in the case of the construction of a Roman temple in Sarmatia. Sarmatia is part of the republic, but the relationship between them should be mutually beneficial, this is the basis of cooperation and partnership. But all these years, the relationship is one-sided, since the republic only takes and expects something from Sarmatia, while the republic itself does not give or offer anything in return. Now they want to abolish the republic altogether. This is absurd, because without a republican system there is no public roman religion /I do not need any organization at all to practice private religion, just a desire/. The abolition of the republic will lead to a loss of interest in the organization among people, and others will simply leave the project. If even such negative prospects do not stop people like Iunius Brutus, then I do not know how they can be leaders of the organization, and why they should endure it any longer. I suggest – 1. Save the Republic and the Roman community – civitas 2. Adopt the constitution of Flavius Severus to make the republic simpler, clearer and more historical. If Iunius Brutus and his party do not stop with their plan, then I see the possibility of negotiations with Nova Roma. Sarmatia and people rallied around are the only real community of citizens in the republic. If Nova Roma offers good conditions, including for the development of trade, then I see no obstacles to the transition, they will receive many new citizens and a republic. If Nova Roma again drags out negotiations, makes them empty or unprofitable, then we will turn to someone else, or we will create our own project. I see no reason to waste years on the next crazy ideas of people who, sitting on the other side of the world, tell us what and how to do, while in the real world they themselves have not even gathered a dozen people around them. I know one thing for sure, these constant squabbles, conflicts, and the unreliability of the organization, I’m not going to endure anymore.
I agree the relationship between Sarmstia and the RR should be mutually beneficial. It’s a shame Sarmatian magistrates are pretty much as responsive as a rock wearing a toga.
You want a market? Why didn’t the Sarmatian consul last year or praetor propose one? They made the agenda for the past 12 months for the entire Republic. You know that right?
As far as I’m concerned, go join NR. Have fun. I think the best thing the RR could do is get out of the business of trying to follow a model that originates on NR. Create a functional organization that would carry respect with Romans and non-Romans alike and move our ideas around living Romanitas into the mainstream.February 5, 2022 at 11:26 am #42382
Tiberius Flavius NervaDenarii: 𐆖 81.25PlebeiusSarmatia
It is precisely because of such things that people from my province do not want to participate in this forum, because there is no point in wasting time.
Varro, you fool people’s heads. You yourself ask questions to which you know the answers, while exposing the Sarmatians in a negative light.
I understand that here, apparently, most citizens have a short memory, or they remember events selectively, nevertheless, we Sarmatians have a good memory, so we do not succumb to such provocations. That is why I believe that your message is not addressed to me as a Sarmat who knows the history of the market well, but to those naive citizens who do not know or do not want to delve into the history of this issue. This is a great example of how some people attribute their failure to the Sarmatians, how they do not listen to the Sarmatians, and then the project fails because of this.
Here is the Senate session:
This is precisely the solution for the market. In this session, you were the presiding magistrate, you moved the topic around the marketplace to a vote. So why are you asking yourself why the Sarmatians did not make any decisions??? All decisions have already been made, as you can see, and you know it very well! That’s why I’m saying, you’re just fooling people around, wasting other people’s time.
As a result, as you can see, the decision on the market was made, while you didn’t take into account my opinion at all, but here it’s probably the only person who is just engaged in the production and sale of Roman goods, but you didn’t even take the opinion of other Sarmatians into account Attention. This example is simply the epitome of how decisions are made without taking into account the opinions of stakeholders. The opinion of the Sarmatians was ignored, the next project was completely failed.
For interest in this topic of the Senate, everyone can see who wrote what, but it is better to see how the votes were distributed, this is very informative. In addition, remind Varro, how many Sarmatians in 2020 held magistracy? Do you want a hint? Not a single Sarmatian.
The fact that the market proposal would not work was clear from the very beginning, the Sarmatians and I pointed out the problems of this proposal, however, no one listened to us, everyone did it apart from us, and what was the result? Are the Sarmatians to blame again? It’s already boring.
You see, Varro, the most offensive thing for the Sarmatians, this is not even what you write here, because we are used to Sarmatia being blamed for everything, even for no reason, we are offended because when we try to help the republic in word or deed, then its leadership neglects it, brushes us off and does everything in his own way. Do you think the Sarmatians need this market, seriously? We do not need it, we have our own production, we have been trading for years and we are satisfied with everything, even if there is no republic, our business will continue. Initially, I didn’t even have the desire to work for the Roman Republic or another organization, because we always have a good workload, and the republic is unstable and unreliable, this interferes with business, but our leaders, such as Crassus and Severus, said that this was important and would be useful for the Republic, I agreed. It is the republic that needs this market, because it gives access to quality things, and not like the crap that is made in Arx, in addition, a functioning market is a unique project, no one has a working market, it was prestigious for the republic, it meant there would be an influx of new citizens, because the marketplace attracts a significant number of people, and in conclusion, the republic could simply earn money, regularly. But, as I said, a bunch of people scattered all over the world decided to do everything in their own way and without taking into account the opinion of the Sarmatians, who have been trading for ten years already. Fine! Everyone got what they deserved. The Sarmatians once again confirmed their correctness, and the rest prefer not to notice their failure. But the question is, did the republic benefit from this? Of course no.
And now, instead of negotiating with the Sarmatians about how to save the republic, I see almost only negative things. The truth is that Sarmatia is probably the only thing that is always stable and functioning in this republic.February 16, 2022 at 7:31 pm #42388
Aula Flavia PhilippaDenarii: 𐆖 337.75PlebeiusSarmatia
Dear citizens, I would like you to listen to my opinion, but before that, I want you to know and understand what prompted me to turn to you the Roman people.
Firstly, I learned that the notorious Brutus, during the discussion of the fate of the republic in the closed chat of the leadership, did not give his consent to the preservation of this very republic. Brutus did not agree to a compromise, in which he could create his own project, and the citizens could save the republic. Brutus evades direct answers, motivating this with far-fetched pretexts and risks. At the same time, he does not disclose anything of the kind in relation to his project.
Secondly, Brutus controls the board of directors and has the majority of votes there. Now only his decision matters, and judging by his behavior, the opinion of the citizens who express their opinion here is not of interest to this person.
Thirdly, Brutus, without the decision of the Senate, without being a magistrate, without obtaining powers, without even notifying the Board of Directors, began negotiations with Nova Roma on a merger. The Senate of Nova Roma is already officially discussing Brutus initiative. Even if you do not take into account what Brutus said about Nova Roma, then he betrays the whole republic, because he, as a dictator, simply by his decision, against the will of the citizens expressed here, has already determined the fate of the republic and its citizens. Brutus simply decided to get rid of the republic because he was tired of it and he wants to launch his own project. He decided all this without even waiting for the meeting of the convened comitia curiata. Simply because, having his majority there, Brutus already knew the decision of the committee, which he controls.
The Sarmatians have already given a name to what is happening and the behavior of Brutus – Brutocracy. This is when one person decides all the important issues for many people, ignoring their opinion, while trying to give what is happening a decent look and disguise it. But the main thing in Brutocracy is to create an organization for many people and ensure in advance that you have full control over the board of directors. So by all indications, we now have a Brutocratic Republic. It is not the Roman Republic that is now in collapse and crisis, it is the Brutocratic Republic that has fallen into decay and is living out its last days.
And now I will tell you citizens my opinion:
The Roman Republic must live. If Brutus does not compromise, this does not mean that the republic should not live and prosper. The Roman Republic must live and prosper with or without Brutus.
The Roman Republic must be reformed. I’ve been working with the constitution that Severus was talking about, and it’s really amazing stuff. If you think that the Roman Republic is a kind of Nova Roma, then after the reform, the Roman Republic will become unique, because it will be the only place where a modern person can be as Roman as possible, close to the revival of Roman culture and follow the Roman path.
The Roman Republic cannot be destroyed, and neither can the republican system. The Roman Republic was created by a declaration, and the declaration says:
To provide both regional and worldwide community administration of a nation of Romans structured as closely as possible upon the principles of the ancient Roman Republic. National governance and logistical direction is to be provided by a Senate and magistrates. The assemblies of the Roman People are to be the highest governing bodies of the Res Publica Romana;
As you can see, Brutus and those who advocate the abolition of the republic, its systems violate the declaration. Brutus signed this declaration, so this is a double betrayal.
What about Nova Roma? There, you will be refugees sent there by Brutus on his terms. We are all just a bargaining chip.
Let’s save the republic, we are Romans, we ourselves must decide our fate and the fate of our republic, we must not endure when one person pushes us around, deciding our fate at his own whim.
Glory and prosperity to the Roman Republic!
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