October 4, 2021 at 9:39 pm #41726
Salvete Plebeians and citizens,
The Session X of the Concilium Plebis is to be called to order on Oct. 18, 2021. All Plebians (members) are called to attend.
An Augur recognized by the Res Publica Romana will take the Auspices.
This meeting will be located online in the Main Forum: http://romanrepublic.org/roma/fora/forum/main-forum
The order of business is to elect the following magistrates to serve a one year term for 2022:
TWO PLEBEIAN TRIBUNES ARE TO BE ELECTED
Duties of the tribunes are listed here: http://romanrepublic.org/roma/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/CCu-On-the-Plebeian-Tribunes-4.pdf
In short, the Tribunes are responsible for the following:
- They will serve a term lasting one year starting and ending December 10th at 00:00 CET
- To represent citizens who they believe are being treated unjustly by the magistrates or
- To publically and independent of the senate report a summary of the minutes of all
- To monitor activities and records of any magistrate to ensure fairness and the interests of
the citizens of the Roman Republic
- To summon the Concilium Plebis
- To propose and endorse intercessio (veto of any action of any magistrate) if their actions are deemed to irrefutably hurt the interest of the citizens (members)
ONE PLEBEIAN AEDILE IS TO BE ELECTED
Duties of the Plebeian Aedile are listed here: http://www.romanrepublic.org/wip/CCu%20-%20On%20the%20Plebeian%20Aediles.pdf
In short, the Plebeian Aedile is responsible for the following:
- They will serve a term lasting one year starting and ending December 10th at 00:00 CET
- To organize the festivals of the Ludi Florae, Ludi Cereales and Ludi Plebeii in 2022
- To assist the Praetor Urbanus in organizing the Ludi Apollinares
- To assist the Consuls in organizing the Feriae Latinae
- To publish edicts
- Responsible for assisting the Aranearius (webmaster) in the maintenance of the official Res Publica website
- To investigate and mediate complaints involving denarii or a societas or magistrates without imperium
- To approve and revoke societas status for citizen groups
- To monitor the trade of denarii within the res publica
- To maintain the online public records of the res publica
- To summon the Concilium Plebis
- They may assume powers and responsibilities of the curule aedile if this magistrate consents or is unavailable
Any Plebeian citizen (voting member) is asked to submit any additional items for the agenda by replying to this thread no later than Oct 17, 2021.
The meeting will start on Oct. 18, 2021. Candidates will be asked to present themselves from this time and until Nov. 1, 2020. Voting scheduled to begin Nov. 2 and ends Nov. 14, 2020.
For citizens interested in serving as magistrates: Please remember this is the first of three elections that will occur between now and January. The Comitia Tributa will be called next to elect Quaestores and a Curule Aedile. Lastly, the Comitia Centuriata will be called to elect Censores, Consules and Praetores. DO NOT YET ANNOUNCE YOUR CANDIDACY. Please announce your candidacy between Oct. 18 and Nov. 1 after the meeting opens (assuming auspices are favorable for these dates)
To be eligible to run for any office in the Roman Republic you must be a tax-paying citizen. Please pay your dues (here: http://romanrepublic.org/roma/membership-account/membership-levels) if you have not done so for this year. Also, unlike other magisterial offices, all candidates elected by the concilium plebis must be members of the plebeian order. Please view your citizenship profile if this is in doubt.
Paullus Aemilius Gallus
Plebeian AedileOctober 18, 2021 at 5:09 pm #41827
Here are the auspices, as requested:
I have witnessed Ex Caelo.
Thunder heard from the Southeast.
I have witnessed Ex Auibus.
Alites seen from the Northeast.
Praepetes was observed in the form of an owl.
I have not witnessed Ex Diris.
Divine messengers for you and for Rome, established by this ordinance reported by Augur Lucius Aurelius Curio.
AVES ADMITTUNT on this day XV KAL. NOV. M. FLAVIO A. IULIO COS. MMDCCLXXIV.Thanks you Lucius Aurelius Curio!With these favorable auspices, the Concilium Plebis is now called to order.Any Plebeian who wishes to run for Plebeian Tribune and Plebeian Aedile should now come forward with his/her declaration of candidacy and his/her statement.The call for candidates will end on November 1.
October 18, 2021 at 5:56 pm #41829
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Paullus Aemilius Gallus.
Lucius Aurelius CurioDenarii: 𐆖 1,056.30PlebeiusTransborealis Silva
I wish to implore anyone thinking of dipping their foot into the governmental body of the Roman Republic to strongly consider both of these positions.
I started out as a Plebeian Aedile in the first year of our Republic, and it was a very rewarding position. It is a great position for a motivated and imaginative citizen looking to further their involvement in our great community!
As far as the Plebeian Tribune is concerned, this is hands down one of the most important positions in our system. They are the shield and spear of the Plebeian citizens. They protect our rights and fight back when injustice is done (let’s hope this is never the case, coming from my role as the Princeps Senatus).
I hope everyone will consider these positions and run if you feel you’d be a great fit for our future leadership!
L. Aurelius Curio
Princeps SenatusOctober 18, 2021 at 7:13 pm #41830
Quintus Marius BestiaDenarii: 𐆖 464.95PlebeiusScandia
Historically and in our modern Republic, the plebeian Tribunes are perhaps the most important checks on power, guaranteeing that the people, or plebeians, our biggest and most active group in the republic, will not suffer injustices or be unfairly represented by the people in power. In a system like ours, the need for officials to be able to intervene into official affairs on request of, or in collaboration with, the people, is perhaps one of the most important aspects of ensuring we will continue to thrive. In antiquity, the Tribunes were sacrosanct because the patricians knew that without plebeians, there would be no Rome.
I highly recommend anyone who feels they are strongly committed to listening to public opinion, putting in the work of being amongst the people instead of sitting idly and who feel like they want an excellent introduction to both RR governance and how it is to be a magistrate to run for the position of Tribunes.
As for the position of Aedile, it is likewise important, but it is important in a different way; to build our civitas and public life. In a republic without religious ceremony it falls upon them to honor and uphold the Pax Deorum through many of the festivals held throughout the year, as well as to provide a positive avenue of engagement for citizens. A community without communal activity is no community, so the office of Aedile is an excellent opportunity to help keep the republic active and lively.
Good luck to all who run!
Valete!October 19, 2021 at 8:21 pm #41833
I will try my hand in running for Plebian Tribune, listening to the people and providing solutions pretty much what I do on a daily basis and the main goal of the Societas Constantia.
It goes without saying that a lot of magistrates aren’t being held up to standard until election season before they fall off. As Tribune, I want the magistrates to be held accountable, this dry spell in between elections is embarrassing for a group claiming to be building an entire culture. Even more embarrassing being the lack of productive proposals from magistrates, the Syballine Books we have need to be evaluated by an actual authority to be verified as authentic texts , we still need to teach Latin (or Greek) to the people, the sacerdotes training being made up as it goes and stalling for months on end. The same few people being reelected only to go off the grid only shows that the average “citizen” doesn’t have much power or awareness, I’d wager some magistrates may know the few I am referring to. There’s no need to give names, there’s a lot more productive work to do than mudslinging.
I have worked in fields like insurance and banking where looking after clients and their families and holding my team accountable comes naturally, the people need to know that if another dry spell happens or if a magistrate is lacking that he can be sacked and replaced. The magistrates also need to know that this is much larger than just a forum, it has potential to be the groundwork for a culture of its own, and need to put forward a goal and achieve it. Say what you will about Camillus but he had standards and got the job done, if only he’d be back in office.October 19, 2021 at 8:58 pm #41834
Gaius Cominius LaenasDenarii: 𐆖 2,018.15EquesterEria
I offer my candidacy for TRIBUNE.
I have been involved in the Roman Republic since before it was founded. I was the designer of the original website. For this work, the Senate recognized me with the Corona Rostrata. I was elected quaestor in the second year of the Republic and for this service was invited into the Senate the same year. For the last four years, I have served as a senator diligently, attending all meetings. I am also the only equestrian citizen of the respublica having supported our nation materially year on year.
I have consistently advocated for the Roman Republic to chart its own course. To not get entangled in other Roman organizations or to focus too heavily on corporate matters. I consider myself a traditionalist when it comes to the cultus deorum. I very much subscribe to the ideas about the religion romana which were advanced by Lucius Curtius Philo during the first years of the respublica. I like to think that I now continue his work since he has passed on two years ago.
As a long-serving senator, I know how the internal workings of the Roman Republic work. I have been involved in most behind-the-scenes conversations and planning over the years. So I know how to best advocate for our citizens.
As tribune, I will continue my work. I have always shown up for the Roman Republic. Elected or not, this will continue to be the case.
C. COMINIUS LAENAS
SENATOR • EQUESTEROctober 21, 2021 at 10:42 pm #41838
Servia Aurelia GemellaDenarii: 𐆖 267.20PlebeiusNova Britannia
After giving it some thought, I would like to throw my name in for Plebeian Aedile. While I’m still newish to the Republic, this is one of the few places where I feel welcome. I would like to give back to the Republic as best I can.October 22, 2021 at 5:39 pm #41839
I have decided to run for the Plebeian Tribune this year. In the last year we have faced serious matters of a lack of accountability and activity among the magistrates. It is my belief that it is the duty of our citizens (and more importantly, the Tribunes who represent them) to serve the Roman Republic dutifully and to work to maintain its virtues, activities, and religio. It is my belief that from my prior experience serving as a representative of polytheists in my local community as well as among my Roman colleagues, that I am obligated to run for Tribune. It is my hope that ongoing activity, responsibility and an initiative to go to the other Plebeians and understand their needs will help me to help others in our Republic.
May Jupiter conserve you,
Decimus Firmius PerusinusOctober 24, 2021 at 8:06 pm #41842
If you want to participate actively to the life of our forum and serve our Republic, you still have one week to stand forward and run for Tribune and Aedile.
Let me remind you that we need 2 Plebeian Tribunes and 1 Plebeian Aedile.
The description of the positions can be found in my first post.
If you have any question, just let us know.
If you have any question regarding the tasks of a Plebeian Aedile, feel free to contact me per mp.
GallusOctober 29, 2021 at 6:35 am #41855
Spurius Gallonius CatulusDenarii: 𐆖 753.83PlebeiusCalifornia Citerior
We will need a rogator from the quaestores to be appointed to validate the election results. Who will be taking on this duty?October 29, 2021 at 6:46 am #41856
Tiberius Terentius VarroDenarii: 𐆖 1,403.32PlebeiusGallia Mississippia
Salvete Omnes, I have decided to run for the Plebeian Tribune this year. In the last year we have faced serious matters of a lack of accountability and activity among the magistrates. It is my belief that it is the duty of our citizens (and more importantly, the Tribunes who represent them) to serve the Roman Republic dutifully and to work to maintain its virtues, activities, and religio. It is my belief that from my prior experience serving as a representative of polytheists in my local community as well as among my Roman colleagues, that I am obligated to run for Tribune. It is my hope that ongoing activity, responsibility and an initiative to go to the other Plebeians and understand their needs will help me to help others in our Republic. May Jupiter conserve you, Decimus Firmius Perusinus
This candidate for tribune seems more interested in founding his own offshoot Roman group. Which is fine. But I also think it probably should be considered when you cast your vote for him. Will he be dedicated to the interests of our Republic? Or is he going to be distracted with his divided loyalties and interests. Something to consider.
I firmly endorse Senator Laenas and Procurator Saturnius for Tribune. Two solid men worthy of support!October 29, 2021 at 7:15 am #41857
Septimus Geminius CanusDenarii: 𐆖 1,119.25PlebeiusGallia Mississippia
I’ve maintained silence in the affairs of state since having joined the RR and have paid my taxes and donated as is good of any faithful Roman citizen. Though I am appaled by the display that I have witnessed in the past few hours. I was under the impression that our efforts as Roman’s was legion, and that it was in our best interests to coexist peaceably with others that seek to expand on Romanitas. I have seen that not all share this view and I have to wonder, have I been paying my taxes to see this sort of display from our leaders? The slander of candidate Decimus Firmius Perusinus is frankly disgusting. Many citizens come to the RR from other Roman organizations and aren’t required to relinquish their participation. Why should the participation in another mean that this candidate is any less dedicated to Roamnitas? The RR is important, but not as important as establishing Romanitas back into the modern world. If that’s made possible in multiple places, I see this only as a boon to our cause. Let us not sink so low as to cast stones at one another, and let us come together for the good of our Gods and our people.October 29, 2021 at 7:27 am #41858
Tiberius Terentius VarroDenarii: 𐆖 1,403.32PlebeiusGallia Mississippia
I’ve maintained silence in the affairs of state since having joined the RR and have paid my taxes and donated as is good of any faithful Roman citizen. Though I am appaled by the display that I have witnessed in the past few hours. I was under the impression that our efforts as Roman’s was legion, and that it was in our best interests to coexist peaceably with others that seek to expand on Romanitas. I have seen that not all share this view and I have to wonder, have I been paying my taxes to see this sort of display from our leaders? The slander of candidate Decimus Firmius Perusinus is frankly disgusting. Many citizens come to the RR from other Roman organizations and aren’t required to relinquish their participation. Why should the participation in another mean that this candidate is any less dedicated to Roamnitas? The RR is important, but not as important as establishing Romanitas back into the modern world. If that’s made possible in multiple places, I see this only as a boon to our cause. Let us not sink so low as to cast stones at one another, and let us come together for the good of our Gods and our people.
Citizen, slander implies I speak things that are not true. Correct? What have I said that is untrue? Candidate for Tribune, Decimus Firmius Perusinus, is busy drafting a constitution for another group. That’s a fact.
Nothing wrong with that. Another fact.
That task will take time. It will divide loyalties on the notion of time being finite. Another very likely probability.
Why does this matter? Because this year many magistrates seemed very busy with other things and neglected their offices. Decimus Firmius Perusinus himself raised this concern on Discord. So I do not think we ought to elect a Tribune that is also going to be very focused on getting his own group off the ground. That alone is a ton for work. I want a tribune that is going to be primarily dedicated to the task at hand — being a RR Tribune!
Let’s not create scandals about participation in other groups. One should participate in whatever they want. But electing people leading multiple groups is probably going to lead to time that could be dedicated by our leaders being placed in non-RR Roman activities. The populace loses in this circumstance.
If you have further concerns I’m happy to address them in a factual and measured manner.
October 29, 2021 at 7:51 am #41860
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Tiberius Terentius Varro.
I wanted to clarify some inaccuracies in Varro’s comments about myself and the organizations I am a part of. I am indeed a part of multiple organizations because I believe that discourse between Cultores of many backgrounds and communities is a valuable tool for expanding modern Romanitas. Moreover, the matter of whether or not one can be an active participant and magistrate is a fair point but one which is not tenable as an argument against my running for the Tribunate. I have maintained daily contact with a large number of my plebeian colleagues such as Asinius Nico, Aurelia Gemella and many others. In fact being able to engage with others from a number of backgrounds to see and address their criticisms in a variety of circumstances is a skill which can be transferred if I were to participate in our Republic as Tribune but also in my continued participation in the Societas Constantia server on discord.
Varro has stated that he will address further questions in a factual and measured manner, however this has not been the case on the server. This attachment below being one such example. This was derived from a very long series of complaints and statements (most of which were self inserts and false assertions about a conversation I was having with a couple other cives.) Which left one server moderator and a number if citizens like my friend and colleague Geminius Canus appalled. It is my hope that I and my fellow Romans such as fellow candidate Saturninus may elevate the concerns of our fellow plebeians to the necessary weight. It is in this hope that we may see a return to activity and an ongoing prosperity for our beloved republic.
D. Firmius Perusinus
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Decimus Firmius Perusinus.
Attachments:October 29, 2021 at 8:15 am #41864
Oh look what we have here! The plebeians have a good ol’ knife fight breaking out. I love it. Keep it coming boys!
Now, for a joke only the old timers will get. Doesn’t a certain person here remind you of that horrid harpy Cassia? Some people just have to sit on their golden throne – even if it’s a bucket filled with piss. 🤣🤣🤣
I will restrain myself form calling for the Tarpeian rock to be used. That got me into hot water last time…
Who here wants to cast bets that this guy will end up the same way as Cassia? 🤪😜
VALETE!October 29, 2021 at 9:21 am #41866
Gaius Cominius LaenasDenarii: 𐆖 2,018.15EquesterEria
A few words from another candidate for Tribune.
I declare that I am committed to only serving as a magistrate or senator or equivalent in one group. My choice is this one.
Making such a choice to serve multiple shouldn’t preclude one from running, it doesn’t in this case. But it should be something declared openly when a citizen announces their candidacy.Perusinus, why didn’t you declare this important information up front? Especially if it is an asset to your candidacy such as you describe. The people should know.
That is all.October 29, 2021 at 9:42 am #41867
Quintus Marius BestiaDenarii: 𐆖 464.95PlebeiusScandia
Canus, it is a shame you have come to feel this way observing public discourse in the last hours, and we as magistrates, as well as Romans, can only do better. That our citizens exclaim that they feel appalled by our public spaces simply should not be a thing. However, I do agree that the level on which the discussion has been held on Discord has been quite low, but I do hope that these interactions have not tainted your image of the Republic.
Amicii, is this really how we want to conduct ourselves, as to where we need to post screenshots in the Forum to sway public opinion?
Let’s not kid ourselves and say that the reasons that magistrates have been AWOL is because they have been busy improving the Romanitas elsewhere, this is perfectly doable, and I have no doubts about Perusinus’s ability to do so either. The claim that he lacks the Constantia to not be tribune is a baseless accusation, because what I have seen is that despite his activity elsewhere, he has still actively participated in our community. That’s a fact.
However, as Senator Laenas says, it could have been better if this was included in the original candidacy for the sake of transparency.
The office of Plebeian Tribune is sacrosanct, it is how the balance between the classes is upheld and how we realize Iustitia between our members. The tribunes should be of the people, for the people. Their primary interest should be the will and opinion of the people, their work should be transparent and committed in cooperation with the people. I have seen this ability and quality demonstrated by two of our candidates primarily this year, and they are Procurator Saturnius and Cives Perusinus. I have no doubt in their ability to carry out the duties of their office, and I am henceforth endorsing their candidacies.
On another note, I would also like to endorse the candidacy of Gemella for Aedile. From my interactions with her, I believe she will do excellent in this role the coming year.
Praetor Catulus, I am willing to act rogatore for the elections.October 29, 2021 at 9:55 am #41869
We have been down this road before with a tribune who also acted on behalf of another entity. Go look into the forum archives of 2017 — name is Cassia. What a cluster…
It doesn’t end well. Our sacred formula for rites stolen and desicrated. The damn tribune gumming up the senate with pointless vetoes serving their pet project group outside of the RR at the expense of the people. I do not even know who this Perusinus is. I don’t really care either. He is probably a fine guy. It would be special to spawn two Cassia… But we should have blocked this type conflict influencing the tribuneship years ago.
Perusinus, don’t take it personal mate, it’s just good policy.
VALETE!October 29, 2021 at 10:02 am #41870
Good gods Varro you get so damn wound up. You would make Cato the elder look like the life of the party…
Perusinus shouldn’t be tribune. Varro needs to chill. That’s all from this patrician. I got no dog in this fight.
Whatever tribune is elected, I’m waiting for you in the senate. Come equipped with good words and better ideas.October 29, 2021 at 12:05 pm #41873
Praetor Catulus, I am willing to act rogatore for the elections.
Thank you Bestia for volunteering to count the ballots.October 29, 2021 at 6:53 pm #41877
Do not drag me into your own mission, Firmius. I have heard from many people, in NR, in RR, in BN and even in Hellenion about your constant recruiting. None have been kind. You have largely been uninterested from the start looking into the difference of philosophy and methods between each group and in establishing any sort of system for what should be considered a Roman and how to implement it in practice. Every time you are confronted you use the same argument that “everyone is Roman” ignoring the complexity and views contemporary Romans had, even Julian’s ideas weren’t even universal amongst “pagans” and some ideas conflicting with Classical Roman self-identification. Every solution to an issue you have been confronted with is to have yourself or a colleague put into power. I will not name any of them, but some have to be the most unsavory people I have seen in any reconstruction group and can’t imagine them in power even on a forum or in a real community. Do not say that you have participated in the Societas Constantia either, you have used us as a platform to push your recruitment and further insist on us voting for you and your colleagues. You are not and never were a part of our discussions or any campaigns. You shot your ideas, we listened because it is our job and purpose, and I speak for myself on this: tolerated it. You were on the server, you did not have a hand in decision making or contribute to our ideas. Do not use me or my colleagues to further yourself unless we have explicitly gave you permission. I make sure to check in with the Societas every time I make a statement about them because I want to be on the same page. You never consulted with us unless it was to suggest once more you be in power.
Every time we talk, you think in this notion that establishing a commune first and then going back to study Romanitas is somehow practical. I have heard from an official from Nova Roma who is less than happy about your efforts to siphon off resources to build your own state. When we first met, I explicitly told you that you need to be selective in who you work with and make sure your colleagues are well read. But you were always fixated on being leader of a commune, regardless of how Roman they are. You’ve made this very clear that you would much rather be the head of your own community than study ideals to be a founding father of a community in the far future. You wouldn’t make a completely separate group, ignore the clear differences between groups like NR, RR and BN (good grief, you even tried to get the Byzantines to be like NR, those people are there for a different experience) and then frame it like some sort of proletariat revolution had you just wanted to serve a Roman people without expecting power or a reward. It’s a long game, we need to talk about what is Roman and then be legalized, a commune or a state is not needed and might never be a reality until decades after we’ve been recognized. You don’t need to be head of a commune to have an impact or necessarily be a leader, generations will look up to you on your work on Romanitas but you need to work on forging the identity first. You are not the first person to try this, the Basileus of BN tried it before you and nobody remembers him or his work but people will never forget Cicero, Livy or Varro. I honestly can’t recommend you for the position. You have the passion but it is sorely missed placed in reaching the end result without forming the building blocks. It’s good that you plan to celebrate Kalends, look into philosophy, learn Latin. But rushing into a state with little foundation and planning to install yourself as its head especially seeing how inexperienced you are is idealism that will guarantee end in tragedy. I am of course assuming that you have good intentions, but I am not sure seeing as how every time I have seen you, you have always aimed to get a solid position and divert resources to your own project.
I don’t care if I never get to see a Roman commune in my lifetime, or if I never get a position like Consul or even Senator, my job is to lay the foundations so the next generation already has something established. If I lived at the same time as a Roman commune, where I was Consul, and the people disregarded Latin, their claim to Rome being solely on “feeling” and “spiritual ancestors” rather than culture and orthopraxy, I’d go the way of Cato. I would’ve failed them and I would be failing myself. I would be content on knowing that I and my comrades were able to convince something like the US that there is a Roman nation, or a descendant of it, and have it recognized. I have literally seen this exact thing happen before my eyes and I am not that old, look at the Aramaeans. We do not need a state, or another splinter group or a rivalry between different groups. We need people to produce new works, discuss Romanitas and Roman identity as it was back then, why we are even Roman and not anything else. In this case, I cannot say you are up for the task until you are older and understand that you are part of a larger community of people and need not to be at the top of the chain to have an impact. Even if recognition happens long after my lifetime, I would be more than content to have been a stepping stone for it.
As for Canus, what Varro has shown is the tip of an iceberg, there is nothing wrong with being in multiple groups (I am in a few) but Firmius has made no attempt to hide the fact that he is trying to build his organization off of other reconstructionist groups to fit this “micronationalist” mindset. I have officials from NR telling me this, people from RR, he has repeatedly tried to get me and my colleagues involved and I was present when he first came up with the idea. I have had friends who wanted to study Romanitas leave the group immediately because of his laser focus on a state. This nationalism needs to come to an end until he starts listening to the people around him. He needs to realize that all these groups are fundamentally different and that a state, putting him in power, or somehow saying they are all Roman does not somehow solve every problem we have with literally bringing back an entire nation. The nail in the coffin is that instead of working on Romanitas (the one thing all groups have in common), he instead formed his own organization in his image and still looking to use a position in other organizations to expand it based on establishing a state. It’s ill thought out on his end but can be dangerous considering some of the people this nationalism brings in and the people I have already seen it has brought. I repeat, being in multiple groups and recruiting is fine, but this power grab for his own project which only furthers a divide will not accomplish anything. I wish both of you luck. Firmius, I highly recommend you look at the Aramaeans and Assyrians and their work in Israel that got them recognized, this is how we should do things. You are too ambitious and rushing headfirst into risky territory and making no friends in it and you’re about to find out that building a nation isn’t as easy as buying land and reading some books together in your niche.October 29, 2021 at 7:04 pm #41878
To reiterate again, my goals are based in the recognition of Roman polytheists in the public sphere of countries today and the hope of real contiguous communities and temples. One does not have to agree with other Romans on all matters to be a Roman nor does attempting to gatekeep Romanitas help to promote such things. I do often seek out colleagues for book clubs, events, and discussions, because I find that the input of our community including its newer members or those waiting on their citizenship to be confirmed to be very valuable. It is my hope that the Roman people and Roman religious and ethical traditions grow and continue to be engaged with both in our circles and in the general public in order to retain and build our legitimacy to ensure the rights of Roman polytheists. I have done some reading on the methods the Aramaeans have used and they are interesting so I think that applying them can show some promise, you likely have a better knowledge base on that front than I do nonetheless as their history and culture is not my specialty. It is my hope that the Republic and its citizens continues to be engaging and to promote the Cultus Deorum’s legitimacy in the public sphere globally and would love to see more of that.
-D. Firmius PerusinusOctober 29, 2021 at 7:59 pm #41879
“Gatekeeping” is not an issue when you are literally reviving a nation, Firmius. You need standards, a ground rule. The good thing about the Romans is that we do know how they saw themselves and we have it all documented, not everyone is going to agree, that’s not the point. People are not automatically Roman simply for following CDR or speaking Latin, the Armenians did both on occasion and the Punics as well, some Romans did neither and were born into the Roman community but understood praxis and tradition out of context. We don’t need everyone to agree, just the people looking to restore Romanitas. We will have disagreements, the Romans did as well, but that is the point. We compile what we do agree on and work from there on if our differences are relevant. A new group or seizing power for yourself and siphoning off other groups is not going to help that discussion nor is this awkward deadlock were NR and RR continue this digital rivalry.
The Romans did have standards; you could be born a Roman through other Romans, you could serve the nation and become a Roman (you used to see this in plenty of New World cultures), or assimilate with the culture through Romanitas. You don’t become British simply because you call yourself British, speak English or follow the Anglican Church, you have to earn it. This much was universally the case amongst Romans so much so that occupied people went out of their way to study Latin, serve the military and assimilate Roman tradition (if not religion) into their lives. The limitation is not there to deter people. It’s supposed to make them study and be able to prove they are Roman. It is simple standards and core to Romanitas. Everyone can be a Roman but not everyone is one.
You have found some good people, good, the problem is not the recruiting so much as the lack of priorities and rushing towards a state. Being Roman isn’t a right, it’s a nation and an ethnicity, it’s naturally not going to be for everyone. People in the future are going to fight for it and be persecuted for it and some people now have very solid claims to Roman heritage (the Romance states and Greece are notable), it’s a delicate and tedious matter that isn’t solved by forming a commune in the middle of nowhere, electing yourself and holding book clubs. If you genuinely want to see this movement recognized, slow down, genuinely listen to these different groups and make ideas that aren’t based on serving yourself, colleagues or your group, make ideas that you think are educated and that someone in the future might use. So far, the only time I have seen you is in the context of trying to put yourself into office and buy some land. Stop. Slow down and listen. You did not bother to ask me or the Constantia if we would back your plan before making it out as if we were endorsing you nor did you bother to stop and ask why there was a divide between the Roman groups in the first placed. You are smart, smarter than most and have fire, but your skills and priorities are misplaced in an ultimately futile plan to establish a state. More power isn’t going to help you, this isn’t a mission only one man and a few friends can solve, instead of mass recruiting people and siphoning resources from other groups for yourself, think about why there is a problem in the first place. Yes, we don’t have a physical community but that’s only because we haven’t formed an idea of what a Roman is. This is the problem. No government is going to recognize some people in the middle of nowhere claiming they are Roman based on feeling alone. There are a lot of cultures that are open to newcomers, but they all have to prove themselves in joining the community. A Jehovah Witness will take just about anyone, but he still has standards. He also doesn’t go to the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, become a bishop and a cardinal then tell people to join his church and say he is helping all of them while trying to be Pope and Patriarch. Reconsider your priorities and why exactly you are doing this and if it is even necessary, because reality is going to hit like a truck. And again, I am assuming you are well intentioned, but your constant attempts to gain power in multiple groups has been noticed by other officials outside of RR to the point where I have to ask whether you are naive and mean well or if you are more concerned with ruling over something than the real-world issues involved.October 29, 2021 at 10:04 pm #41880
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I find it telling that N. Caelius Saturninus, describes Firmius as recruiting across multiple organizations, including NR, towards his own project to form some sort of commune where he is the leader. I see only one consistent action here by Firmius. That is self interest. Which organization does he commit himself too fully which isn’t his own creation? NR? BN? RR? No. Based on what I’m reading here, he is mostly committed to using these community as stepping stones towards his own goals, the tribuneship or the Republic is clearly not his first or even second priority. They seem to simply be ends towards a means for Firmius’ personal project.
Firmius you are welcome here. But I think until you know what your priorities are, you best not serve as Tribune here in the Roman Republic.October 31, 2021 at 11:30 am #41918Last call!The Republic needs volunteers. We need 2 Plebeian Tribunes and 1 Plebleian Aedile to be elected.Plebeian citizen, this is a great opportunity for you to run for an office, serve our community and participate in its development. Don’t miss it.You have until tomorrow, November 1st 24.00 Rome time to declare you candidacy.
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