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July 11, 2017 at 1:15 am #10764
P. Sextius Laevus L. Livio Senecæ magister Horatiae Adamanti magistrae omnibusque S.P.D.
I would like to see the English translation interlinear in square brackets (subordinate to the Latin) as it is presented it in the Constitutio Collegi Philosophici.
Also a typo in IV. All member who are citizens optimo iure shall have voting privileges. <- should be ‘members‘.
ValeteJuly 11, 2017 at 9:11 pm #10766
L. Horatia Adamas fautoribus omnibus linguæ Latinæ S.P.D.
Yes, Philo, Idibus Oct. = October 15th, which is nefastus publicus, the day of the October horse (inter alia).
I would prefer to have ‘magistri’ left untranslated; most of us know what ‘magister’ means–and all of us should. Moreover, ‘master’ does not strike the ears of many as being a desirable word unless it is accompanied by the name of a profession: master builder, master electrician, master violinist, master teacher… otherwise it reeks of slavery, and bears hints of sexual perversions. Its feminine form, too, happens to be ‘mistress,’ which has other implications. (Note: some English nouns have perfectly legitimate feminine forms, which some refuse to use on the grounds that they are insulting. They are not insulting to this sensible feminist, who knows that ‘between Joe and I’ is not acceptable English, nor is ‘if I was you,’ as well as that ‘hostess’ [etc.] is not insulting).
The future imperatives should all be translated with ‘shall,’ in proper documentary style. Laboro capite, ergo hocc confirmare non possum.
Reminder: I shall be away at the Academia Latinitati Fovendæ convention later this month….and may not have access although I shall bring my computer with me.
Valete!July 13, 2017 at 2:31 pm #10769
L. Livius Seneca mag. omnibus sociis s.p.d.
Since the English version of the Regula is to be an informal aid to those in need of it (e.g., the Curule Aedilitas), it is something which can be tinkered with by the magistri and socii without need for a formal, deliberative process.
The proposed official Latin version, however, seems to be stable and broadly accepted, but will require formal ratification. As such, in accordance with the Edictum Consulare de Collegio Latinae, I am calling for a vote of the College to amend the current bylaws to the following:
REGVLA COLLEGI LATINI
- Hac regula Collegium Latinum ut collegium culturale Rei Publicae Romanae conditum est his propositis:
- Usus linguae Latinae ubique fovendus colendusque, litterae propagandae, nova opera creanda, et educatio institutioque eiusdem augendae;
- Versiones in Latinum supplendae subveniendaeque pro Re Publica;
- Status publicus linguae Latinae advocandus et usus hortandus monendusque in Re Publica.
- Omnibus civibus Romanis liceat socii Collegi Latini fieri.
- Socius utri magistro approbandus est.
- Omnes socii, qui cives optimo iure sunt, suffragium habento.
- Habento duo magistri collegialiter magisterium collegi et invicem vetanto. Sunto primi inter pares; pro collegio loquuntor, deliberationibus collegi praeponunto; decernunto suffragia irrita esse, nam magistri moderatores fori Collegi Latini sunt.
- Socii suffragatores potestatem legiferam communiter habent.
- Suffragiis in aequo stantibus, e moribus maiorum rem vel candidatum cecidisse decernitor.
- Magistri pluritati eligendi sunt unum annum qui Idibus Octobribus incipit, sed:
- Si alterum munus vacat, alius magister collegium convocato et comitia habeto;
- Si ambo munera simul vacant, unus quisque suffragator collegium convocare et comitia habere potest;
- Si collegium et magistris et suffragatoribus careat, Aedilibus Curulibus traditor ut status reficiatur.
- Pars dodrans suffragiorum munus magistro abrogare potest.
- Liceto utri magistro collegium convocare, quae convocatio illi una quidem septimana antea annuntianda est.
- Liceto unicuique socio collegium convocare nisi utri magistro displiceat.
- Unicuique suffragatori rem coram convocatione ferre licito.
- Aliquid propositum collegi et erogatio pecuniae, nisi alibi provideatur, parte maiore suffragiorum indiget ut valeat.
- In omni re Collegi suffraganda, tria suffragia faventia saltem ferri debent ut valeat.
- Rixae inter socios privatim placandae sunt, vel parti maiori, magistris intercedentibus, si necesse sit.
- Ob nefas contra rationes regulamve collegi, vel morem maiorum pars dodrans suffragiorum socium expellere potest.
- Socius expulsus adversus talem expulsionem ad Aedilem vel Curulem vel Plebeium, si plebeius sit, appellare potest.
- Pars dodrans omnium suffragatorum collegium dissolvi potest; si collegium sic dissolvatur, denarii sui Aerario Populi Romani dantor.
- Pars dodrans suffragiorum hanc regulam emendare potest.
All members optimo iure are eligible to vote, starting today until the close of Tuesday, July 18th. Please announce your votes in this thread.
Valete.July 14, 2017 at 2:02 am #10771
UTI ROGAS – in favour of the bylaws ‘REGVLA COLLEGI LATINI’
P. Sextius LaevusJuly 14, 2017 at 7:45 pm #10773
L. Horatia Adamas collegae L. Livio Senecae omnibusque S.P.D.
I vote ‘uti rogas’ for the Latin text, although (as earlier) I would prefer standard outline format. We may tweak the English one a bit more, but most of it seems fine.
Vale, et valete!July 14, 2017 at 10:50 pm #10774
VTI·ROGASJuly 20, 2017 at 7:05 pm #10781
L. Livius mag. omnibus sociis sal.
The motion to amend is carried unanimously. I thank you all for your tireless patience and indefatigable labour throughout this process. We have succeeded in building a strong foundation for the future work of the (newly-dubbed) Collegium Latinum!
I will inform the Curule Aedilitas of the amendments, and submit them to their office for final approval. Given the protracted length of time which this convocation has required to accomplish the substantial task of rewriting our bylaws, I would like to withdraw the final item from the agenda (on monita), and adjourn. We can discuss the matter casually in the forum until there is need for formal deliberation. If anyone objects to this, do speak up. Otherwise, you all have my thanks, my congratulations, and my warm wishes!
Valete.July 20, 2017 at 9:46 pm #10782
P. Sextius Laevus L. Livio Senecæ magister Horatiae Adamanti magistrae omnibusque S.P.D.
I second the motion to table the last adgenda item on monita for cassual discussion in the Collegium Forum and to adjourn the Convocation of the Collegium.
ValeteJuly 22, 2017 at 5:21 am #10783
L. Horatia Adamas L. Livio Senecæ P. Sextio Lævo C. Florio Lupo omnibusque S.P.D.
Macte! I hope the ædilis will approve. To me, everything seems to be quite good, and worthy of approval. 🙂
Ut collegæ Senecæ privatim dixi (in epistolio quod spero eum accepisse), abero partem hebdomadis insequentis ut participem conventús Academiæ Latinitati Fovendæ; spero me acroases Latiné habitas intellecturam, Kentuckiam, Lexington, et Universitatem inventuram, et incolumem perventuram redituramque.
Valete!July 22, 2017 at 10:09 am #10784
When submitting the new bylaws to the Aediles, you may encounter the same problem as I did. Only the Plebeian Aedile Augustus answered and only after being contacted by Consul Curio, and apparently he does not have the technical means to do the required changes (publishing the new bylaws, name change etc.).
We are facing the sad reality that except our two collegia the forum and most magistrate offices of the Republic are abandoned. The forum will keep working, but we will most likely not be able to make any of the changes that we have decided.
We as the last active members of the Republic should plan together, what we can do. The magistrates need to be replaced with active members. Maybe we need new elections or we have to restructure the Republic, so it can technically work. We have to work together on this.
C. Florius LupusJuly 22, 2017 at 4:29 pm #10786
Praetor Celsus is assuming the responsibility of changing bylaws for now, until we have new elections to fill in the vacant seats. This year has been a turbulent one :/
PhiloJuly 23, 2017 at 5:10 am #10787
L. Horatia Adamas L. Livio Senecæ omnibusque S.P.D.
Here it is summer (a permanent condition in Kenya–and most of the rest of Africa, but for us, a brief respite from snow), and some people are away on vacations. School is out, and vacations are in, so it may be that the ædiles are away or ill or injured. Thus I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on the absence of a response at present. However, it is quite true that many people love to accumulate titles, but are much more averse to performing any of the work presupposed by said titles. This happens in all organizations, and has been a perpetual curse thereof. There is nothing new about this; it happened when I was on my high school yearbook staff, and it wasn’t new then. Give it a couple of weeks, but if there is no response, we may have to take matters to a higher level.
Vale, et valete!
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