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March 4, 2016 at 12:18 am #737
while the Lictors are attending to matters of bylaws, should we give some attention to recruitment?
Now, it seems, would be the ideal time.
There are a large number of refugees from, and disaffected persons in, that Other Place – ninety or so, last I heard, have signed their names to a potential lawsuit.
Are we actively recruiting from the victims of the dictator’s purge?
I have let a few friends from olden days know of RR, by email or facebook messages, though several of them have, like me, been away for years. I don’t really know anyone who was affected by the current purges… those who do know them, are they aware of RR?
There have been other Roman groups before – the SVR, the RPR – whose members were generally drawn from a group that had quit the odious organization en masse. We’re different, though – not all here due to a single event; and the fact that there *was* another such mass exodus recently gives an opportunity to join forces. With them, we have the numbers. We have superior technology and enthusiasm. We have momentum.
Valete, OctaviusMarch 4, 2016 at 1:09 am #3108
I have made repeated invitations, but there are diehards in this lawsuit. I maintain hope that they will eventually consider our operation here. Even if they win, it would take decades to recover from the damage. There are so many good people in that particular group, and hopefully they will understand the meaning of futile effort. There are those on the other side that absolutely refuse to take off the blinders and see things for what they are, and they are good people. Only time will tell I guess.March 4, 2016 at 1:36 am #3110
I do not immediately know many of the people mentioned by Triarius. But I know the history. These people must have given their hearts to that other place. They have been treated so poorly, but they stay, and they must tell themselves it will be better tomorrow. They have told themselves this for years now. It reminds me of classic abusive relationships. I hope the Gods and the Roman Republic can help them see the light. We should keep them in our thoughts and encourage them to join us.
Lucia HostiliaMarch 4, 2016 at 1:45 am #3111
Yes, it is like an abuse relationship. You are correct in the similarities. The problem for years was there was no other place to go, so everyone else just stayed. Unless you joined a splinter group that formed from some disgruntled citizens, you pretty much had no options. A lot of those splinter groups were more so groups focused on a particular theme or topic, and not a Respublica-themed group. The idea that there is no where else to go is engraved into the minds of many, but hopefully, they will understand that when their adversaries say, "Go, leave, if you can find somewhere else to go…HAHAHA!" they will realize that there actually IS somewhere else to go that doesn’t have all the brow-beating, drama and disrespect…just common Romans with a common cause.
TriariusMarch 4, 2016 at 11:48 am #3114
Salve et salvete,quote :
As far as I know, the Roman Republic does not exercise organized and official work in this direction. However, one way or another, most of the participants in the litigation (if not all participants of the litigation), as far as I know, aware of the existence of the Roman Republic. Group of Sarmatians participate in this lawsuit. Sarmatia is quite badly damaged due to the illegal actions of two people (think everyone knows who I mean). Several Sarmatians were banished for life. However, thanks to the participation in this lawsuit, we learned about the existence of the Roman Republic. There is a blessing in disguise.quote :
When this litigation began, I treated it with skepticism. Once I learned about the Roman Republic, I do not see the point in going on. Unfortunately, we have to admit that the system is rotten long ago, rolled down into a purely virtual club of interests, without any active work in the real world. I very much regret that the Roman Republic has not been created before.quote :
This is not quite true. In fact, the current situation is a consequence of the lack of any alternative. This lawsuit is nothing but an attempt to resuscitate the corpse. In other words, this litigation can allow the corpse to return, that is a material body, but not the soul. The soul has left the body for a long time. It is the absence of the soul (the very spark of life) allow the body to decompose. The soul of the Roman Republic is strong, this is a healthy alternative. If someone really wants to restore Rome – have to leave the corpse and draw their strength and hope for something alive – to the Roman Republic.quote :
Fully agree with you. Moreover, such people have already joined our restored Republic.
Vale et valete,
T. Fl. SeverusMarch 4, 2016 at 7:37 pm #3125
As I understood former statements, the Roman Republic (RR) does not consider itself in opposition to any other Roman organization, including Nova Roma.
Therefore I do not understand what effect would have membership in one organization on the membership in another one.
Why would a disgruntled Nova Roma member not be able to join the Roman Republic, even if he does not renounce his NR citizenship?
Nothing can be achieved in NR until the crisis is resolved. So why should they not be willing to participate in the Roman Republic, which has an amazing momentum right now and is organized more professionally? They would not have to give up their NR membership.
Valete!March 4, 2016 at 10:47 pm #3126
I completely agree. The RR is not in opposition to any other organization. I would personally love to see every Roman org of some type establish their own sodalitas here in support of their own website or . There seems to be some strange idea that continually runs through NR that one may only belong to NR. I don’t know if this comes from some "superior" ideal or concept imbedded somewhere, or the fact that the current administration feels that every other org is a "competing" org and should be stopped because they are a competing organization. I think everyone here is probably a member of another group of some kind. There is no crime in that, in fact, it is very healthy for people to have different experiences in different environments. It brings new perspectives on things into the community. If people are not open to learning from the ideas and experience from others, both good and bad, then they become stagnant and closed.
TriariusMarch 4, 2016 at 11:05 pm #3127
Anonymousquote Gaius Florius Lupus:
This idea is propagated by some leaders from that other organization. They don’t like competition because they fear anything they can’t directly control. They have an, us versus the world mentality that is very unhealthy. Consequently, they declare other organizations competition and punish their own members for associating with others outside of their own group. A very dark and sad place.
Such oppression is the origin of the misleading idea of membership in one Roman organization causing problems elsewhere.
What these misguided people forget is that Rome was always a collaboration, from the day it was founded until the day it fell.
The RR is not opposition. I’ve been around Brute, Triari, Scaura long enough to know that this organization fulfills a need in our community. This need exists, with or without that other organization.March 5, 2016 at 1:34 am #3132
Marcus Octavius Gracchus raises a good point. How can we recruit more citizens? I’ve seen some people spreading the word on Facebook, are any of you members of other Roman related message boards, mailing lists, or Facebook groups? Maybe Twitter could be used too? I think our community has much to offer Latinists, scholars, amateur historians, reenactors, and cultores. Surely we can get the word out and make the Roman Republic the central hub where these groups can meet and find common ground.
Speaking about that other organization, does anyone have any ideas on how we can better reach out to them?
Lucia HostiliaMarch 5, 2016 at 10:56 am #3138
Activity in the real world, the best way to attract new members. Just reading the notes and studying the organization’s website, people rarely imbued with the idea so much that they are ready to join the community. Abstract ideas need to be turned into real and practical activities. I manage a large community historical reenactment. And I know very well that attachment and return to the common cause more than the one who is involved in real activity.quote :
This is good and absolutely necessary. But it is better if someone will go to the historical festival, will take part in public debates and discussions on the Roman theme. That other organization created a lot of internet groups, mailing lists and communities, but could not get out into the real world. This way, as the main direction, is not suitable. That other organization will go down in history as an internet club of the amateurs of Roman history, because the organization is not left behind any inheritance in the real world. That other organization engaged in the Roman history, but even any serious scientific heritage did not left behind.
When our Roman Republic will be known not only for its Internet activity, but will also have the glorious achievements in the real world, then people will be drawn to us. Good reputation and good fame – better than any advertising and Internet groups.
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