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March 14, 2016 at 11:22 pm #783
Romilius Cato sal.
Does anyone know, approximately, how many people make up the worldwide Roman community?
ValeteMarch 15, 2016 at 4:04 am #3504
AH! But first, one has to determine WHAT the Roman community consists of. When you add different components and interests, the community spectrum widens. I don’t think anyone really knows, because this is the first project to attempt to define it from all different angles. There are many Latin language groups, reenactment and living history societies, academia groups, religious groups, study and research groups, Roman gamers, etc. Generally, those have been grouped together and co-habituated in their own community sectors. With RR, we are bringing them all together. So, I would estimate the Roman community to be in the 10s of thousands, when everyone is brought together.
On a different note, for those whose family heritage lies in Europe, all have ancestors who were either Roman or were touched by Rome’s influence, so that number increases significantly.
TriariusMarch 15, 2016 at 8:38 am #3507
Wow, I had no idea the community was that big. I hope they all find their way here!
CatoMarch 15, 2016 at 9:22 am #3508
Caeso Fabius Buteo Modianus S.P.D.
When I was censor of Nova Roma we had well over 10K people in our database. For sure, not all of those people were active and some of them were duplicates that we worked to resolve during the census but it was still a large number of people. There is a continuum of people within this community too. Some are simply interested in re-enacting whereas others are interested in Roman religion and there is some intersection. The sad reality is that no one group has been able to step up and be THE voice. Nova Roma tried but is crumbling under sectarian politics and many groups have crept up to attempt to unite the community. It’s a struggle with many challenges.
ModianusMarch 15, 2016 at 1:43 pm #3509
Anonymousquote Faustus Romilius Cato:
Yes, what Modianus says is correct. At peak membership, there were about 13,000 people there, and they never really reached the reenactor sector. That was 15 years ago.
Where other groups have missed the mark in the past with uniting the various elements of the community is that as groups grow, they become more and more self-focused on their own operations and fall unto the "us vs. them" mindset, which is naturally human. They stop collaborating with others, then they stop talking with others and focus on their own internal operations, then they become stagnant…successful, but stagnant, then they eventually die and close up shop.
Humans are meant to be social creatures. When they cut themselves off from others, then they become to wither away. This is why we are encouraging others to bring their groups, not just themselves, into the community fold here in RR. When one group runs a community, then that is called "mafia." All groups must learn to come together and coexist. It is very healthy and each helps the other to survive, thrive and be successful!
There are thousands of people in the world now getting in touch with their heritage. We hope many will eventually find us here. The via Romana after all is the basis for western world life. In two short weeks, we have begun to come together: from North America, South America, Europe, and Asia & Australia. This in a modern world, where the USA and Russia are once again portrayed to be in somewhat of a state of conflict, we see nearly half of our membership is from North America and nearly half from Russia & Ukraine…and we are getting along fine and growing together successfully. Why? Because no one side is trying to rule over the other. They are working collectively together. And, well I might say. It is sad that world governments do not operate this way, nor do they wish to.
Just yesterday, I sent invitations to 81 different Roman groups across the "third rock from the Sun" inviting them here to participate with us. Hopefully, with the approval of the gods, they will receive the light necessary to come here and be a part. We will see, and we will continue to reach out to every group, big and small. These numbers are countless at this point.March 15, 2016 at 2:31 pm #3511
This conversation makes me curious on something maybe you old-timers (in the best sense of the word lol) might know. Are there any romans or cultores in the Far East that you know of? Japan, China, Thailand, Korea etc. Just out of curiosityMarch 15, 2016 at 4:17 pm #3512
I wouldn’t call myself an old timer, but I can superficially comment. 🙂
I know during the glory days of that "other organization," the early to mid-2000s, there were a handful of active Romans from that part of the world.
I think there are many Romans out there, especially if you consider the various interested parties: Latinists, reenactors, scholars, amateur historians, casual Roman enthusiasts, cultores, etc. I would not be surprised if globally we numbered in the tens to hundreds of thousands. I think there are probably just as many potential Romans out there as well. These are people who would be interested in our mission if they were inspired, given a sense of community, and taught. On the education front, maybe the Academia Minervalis can play a role?
Personally, I feel like this day and age needs an organization like the Roman Republic, there is a thirst for it. If we can unite and harness the passion of our community, we will inevitably grow our global community.
BrutusMarch 15, 2016 at 7:51 pm #3513
I think we have to narrow the definition a little bit in.
From a certain point of view, we could count all Roman Catholics as Romans, especially those who speak modern Latin (Romance languages). With this definition there would be 800 million Romans.
The question is: What kind of Romans do we want to reach? I think the target group should be those who follow the Cultus Deorum.
How many of them exist globally? 10,000 to 15,000 as the former census of Nova Roma seems to indicate? Is this number realistic?March 15, 2016 at 8:25 pm #3517
I do not think so. In my understanding, "Romans", that all those who meet the criteria established by the current Declaration of the Roman Republic. If these "Romans" shared goals and objectives established by the Declaration of the Roman Republic, it is precisely those people that we are looking for. We just need to find them and to reach them, which would give them the opportunity to join to the worldwide Roman community – our restored Roman Republic.
As you can see, it’s pretty simple. The Declaration laid the basic principles, and we just need to follow them to find the right answer.March 15, 2016 at 8:27 pm #3518
Anonymousquote Titus Flavius Severus:
I think C. Lupus is just wondering how many cultores romans are out there and didn’t express himself clearly, Severe.March 19, 2016 at 10:12 am #3600
Gratias tibi, Victor. Indeed I would like to have a realistic number. The definition of the Declaration would indeed include around 800 million people. But how many can we realistically expect to join a Roman community?
Most modern Romans are Christians. As modern we could count all Romans born after Theodosius made Christianity the Roman state religion. So most modern Romans feel more comfortable to be under the roof of the Roman Catholic Church.
The only justification for a separate Roman organization apart from the Vatican would be one that covers the traditional Roman religion. For example I feel uncomfortable to be represented by a Pontifex Maximus who gives precedence to a Jewish god over our traditional gods.
Too much of Roman culture was given up in the 4th century with the beginning of the Dominate and the division of the Empire. Therefore I am looking for a reform movement that returns to the traditional Roman way.
I think there is only a small minority among today’s Romans who share my view. The majority are happy with the modern organization of the Empire as more or less independent provinces ruled as republics and the religious guidance of a christian pontifex maximus.
The question is how many Romans out there think as we do and identify with the old way? This is the relevant number that requires to narrow the definition in.
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